*No Internal Lock

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  1. rd21

    rd21 Rationalist

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    How sad/funny has a company become when they advertise the LACK of its signature feature as a major selling point?

    The whole reason Safe-T-Hammer bought out S&W was to promote their integrated locking systems, but when you look at their website, they're now listing "No integrated lock" right up there with the "Featured" specs.

    Can't think of a single other instance of this happening in any other industry....
     
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    cyrsequipment Angry

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    There were issues with those locks working loose and binding up the guns, could that be the reason?
    I've never been a fan of S&W anyway...
     

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    That's definitely the reason, I just think it's funny that things have devolved to the point that Saf-T-Hammer seems to be giving up completely.

    Anecdotally, the no-lock models seem to be the most sought after guns they sell, so maybe it's just a testament to the power of gun owners refusing to give in to accepting an inferior product.
     
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    This topic again!
     
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    rd21 Rationalist

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    I'm well aware that the merit of the internal locks has been much debated on this site and others. I didn't make this post to continue that discussion.

    The purpose of the OP was to point out what seems to be a new trend, that S&W themselves are now specifically advertising no-lock models, like dealers have been doing for years. Different topic.
     
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    They know what people want, and they know what their lawyers will let them sell. There is a tiny overlap where they can offer no lock on guns with no single action capability. Simple business decision. We the people caused this, the same as most other bad decisions driven by jury stupidity and lawyer greed.
     
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    For good reason.

    I won't buy another S&W with that stupid lock.
     
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    Perhaps so, but you know how these always end....

    I guess to entertain the original post I thought it was funny myself that the NO ILS is the selling point on the guns. I have both no ILS and ILS guns though and the smith revolver i carry is a ILS gun (340pd)
     
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    Another chance to Bash S&W.
    :whistling:
     
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  11. Jason D

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    Glory, glory!


    My love for a classic Smith knows no bounds. This new crop though can kiss my American lock hating behind. I will not buy a S&W with a lock in it.
     
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    I had the money last summer to buy any production S&W revolver I wanted and I wanted a 625, but I could not make myself buy one with the lock. Bought a 1911 instead.
     
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    Utterly ridiculous of Smith & Wesson.

    If they were to remove the stupid lock from the rest of their lines, I may incline to buy something new from them.
     
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    Jason D INFRINGED Silver Member Millennium Member

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    There are a lot of them out there on the used market.
    I own a 5" 625-5 that is a hell of a shooter. When I had the chance to snap up an original 5" 625-2 I did that as well.
     
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    On the contrary, I don't think people would put so much time and effort into these threads if they didn't really want to buy more S&W revolvers. The hardcore S&W fans are the most vocal about it.

    I am disappointed by the fact that I've only been able to buy one new S&W revolver this century. I did buy one of the new no-lock 442's, more as a reward to S&W than because I needed another j-frame. Gimme a no-lock .44 or .45 wheelgun of almost any kind and I'd buy it immediately. Maybe they're finally hearing guys like me. I hope so. I've got deep pockets and an S&W addiction I'd love to feed! :supergrin:
     
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    Thank you for that explanation.

    I had not put 2 and 2 together before (no sarcasm).

    Duh! (to myself), so that's why they might offer the no-lock on the centennial (double action only) but not the chief's special (single or double).

    It has to do with the perceived ability of little kid fingers able to pull a single action trigger, but not a double action trigger.

    :wavey:
     
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    How many people actually use the internal lock with any regularity?

    It was a "feel good" idea from the start.

    hog
     
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    Hey guys, gotta start somewhere. IIRC the no lock J's started from LEA over runs that they wholesaled out. Those sold fast enough that they reran them again later. Now we have multiple J frame models that are produced and advertised as no locks.
    It's progress.
     
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    LEAs are buying j-frames? I knew a lot of officers like them as BUGs, but i didn't realize departments were actually issuing them.
     
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    I thought SW was simply getting rid of an old stock. Why would a new "LE special" run had -1 frames?