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Discussion in 'General Glocking' started by Rottizine, Aug 6, 2012.

  1. Rottizine

    Rottizine

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    I bought my first gun 30 days ago, which is a G19 Gen 4. After doing some basic online research on gun brands, I decided to go with a Glock, due to their supposed "unsurpassed reliability and function". What I received is a joke of a gun, which they should be ashamed to stamp their name onto.

    I have ran Remington white box, Federal, Sellier and Bellot, Lawman and Tulammo through the gun, with only the steel cased Tulammo ejecting half way normal. It is 6 O'clock somewhere, and more then likely behind my new G19 neck exerciser (not easy dodging bullets).

    I happened to stumble onto this website after searching the internet for the reason why I am getting a brass makeover every time I shot my brand new gun. For some reason the Sellier and Bellot is the worst, with 2/3 of the casings either hitting the top of my head, face or chest. It also seems like the quicker the rounds are fired the more likely the casings are to eject straight back.

    After reading a few threads on here and calling Glock today, I can report that all the parts in question (034 spring, extractor and 30274 ejector) are the most upgrade and solution to their design flaw.

    It is really not my intent to come onto this forum and cry about a problem, which seems to be common. Personally I am just rather pissed off that I spent a good amount of change on a ongoing Glock problem.

    My questions for the forum would be:

    1) What other brands (or models) would you guys recommend, that are in Glock's price range and are somewhat reliable? Preferably striker fired with compact and subcompact models. -Functionality > Style- any day of the week for me.

    2) I briefly read some on the Glock Serial number project. Even if this gun is fixed/replaced I will probably step away from the brand when buying newer guns. My question is if I wanted a reliable G27 from years past, what am I looking for with regards to serial numbers?

    Thanks for your time and some of the great information that you guys post on here!!
     
  2. Prryan45

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    I hear M&P's are nice but I don't own one.
     

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    :welcome:

    Any of the mainstream polymers in Glock's price range are as reliable or more reliable than the late models Glock has been producing

    There's no friggen way I'd give Glock any of my money these days.
     
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    S&W M&P's are quite similar to Glocks, but they've had erratic ejection in some instances as well. Usually they won't spit brass into your face though. The Walther PPQ is a DA/SA hammer-fired gun but it's in the same price range and I've never heard of erratic ejection with it. You might also look into the Springfield XD lineup.

    I would get one in the L-series or earlier, and if you replace any parts, do not replace the extractor. The old extractors were much better quality and the last thing you'd want to do is replace one of the good old extractors with one of the new cheap ones. The first frequent reports of erratic ejection were in the M-series.

    My G27 was NRR and at about 200 rounds it started denting the case mouths of the spent casings and sending about 10% of them straight over my head. At about 300 rounds maybe 5% would go over my head and another 5% would go straight up in the air and fall back down on my arms, with the rest ejecting to the right like they should. I installed a 28926 ejector and a new extractor and now they all eject to the right between 3 o'clock and 5 o'clock and there are no more dents on the case mouths.
     
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  7. stolenphot0

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    You're right, it is hard dodging bullets, and if you are dodging bullets you're on the wrong end of the gun. :whistling:

    I'll go ahead and ask since you also say you are new to guns, are you holding the pistol correctly? If you are new to guns, how do you know?

    I have never shot an SR9c but I know from this past weekend that they have strong, hit your neighbor 6 feet away ejection.
     
  8. SouthpawG26

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    Correction: it is a striker fired handgun as well. It has an excellent trigger (probably the best among striker fired guns) but one has to get accustomed to the different mag release, and some have found the recoil just a bit snappier than a comparable Glock.
     
  9. ZO6Vettever

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    I replaced 2 S&W Sigma's with a G30 and G26. Both are gen 3's and trouble free. Had I read about all the problems I probably would have kept my Sigma's. I would have Glock send a shipping label and let them fix your G19. They're are millions of them around that don't spit casings at the shooter. Good luck to you and welcome to the forum.
     
  10. Rcsteffen

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    My G3G19 was throwing brass at my face when I first started shooting it. I was new to semi auto pistols, and didn't have a ton of handgun experience. Not sure if it was the couple hundred rounds of break in, or learning a proper grip at my ccw class, but it runs great now. No new parts...This was just my experience, not saying there isn't another possible cause.
     
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    Most other glock models aside from the Gen 4 G17 & 19 are trouble free! I own a 3rd Gen G27 that has over 2,000 trouble free rounds through it. Even with my stormlake 9mm conversion barrel installed, Ive never had a problem. My 3rd gen G20sf has been near perfect for over 5,000 rounds now also...I know youve got a bad taste in your mouth for glocks now, but dont completely give up on them. The Gen4 9mm's are the ones with the problems, and it is mostly limited to the 17 & 19.
     
  12. Rottizine

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    Shot 45 rounds of AE 124 grain today. Hit in head 4 times and roughly 30% are coming back between 5 and 7 o'clock with this ammo. The shop I bought it from suggest I run a box of 124 to see if it helped.


    Looked at one today

    Might sound like a dumb question but are the polymer frame guns susceptible to weird ejections in your opinion?


    I was reading up on the M&P's and the shield seems like it might be a interesting gun. This is my first gun, but I should of bought a G26 or G27, hence the G27 question. Was also looking at the Walther PPS, since this gun seems to be the closest in size to the G26/G27.

    Can you do a .40>9mm barrel switch on any other brands of guns like the G23 &27?

    I keep getting these popcorn fart ejections that your describing that barely make it out of the gun.



    Because I watched "Boy'z in the Hood" at least 30 times :supergrin:. Actually it was the first thing I thought of with getting hit by brass. I am "new" to guns, but I did read a few books on tactical shooting before I got started. Not trying to act iek King-Scholong-Is-Long or anything but I have been lifting since I was 13 (now 35) and the gun barely moves when fired.

    If I ever found a used Gen3 G27 what is the best way to tell when it was produced? Any years to avoid?

    I probably wont give up on them completely (might buy a used one). Just kinda ridiculous to hear that this has been going on for awhile.

    Thanks again everyone for your feedback!!!
     
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  13. Frank V

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    I'd like to welcome you to the forum too.

    I suggest giving Glock a shot at fixing your problem. I'd at least call them.
    Frank
     
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    well when you hold the frame at a 90 degree cant, of course you'll get hit in the head :rofl: Just messing with you. As long as you've done your homework and are sure you're gripping right then it is probably the gun. It's not that I don't believe you're getting pelted, just wanted to cover the obvious bases.

    welcome to the forum and let Glock sort out your pistol before giving up on them. I've bought 4 used and only 1 new.
     
  15. Glock Master

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    Maybe, just maybe, your recoil spring might break in a bit and the problem will fix itself.

    Did the AE 124gr seem better to you? Try some Gold Dots 124gr, too, just for the heck of seeing how self-defense ammo does.

    Also, can you brace the gun a bit firmer?

    The faster that slide comes back, the better the brass will eject. All three things I mentioned above pertain to that.

    Any jams? Lots of other brands will have had jams, imagine how frustrating that would have been for your first gun :)
     
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    i heard they have a recoil guide rod replacement program for the gen 4 9mm's
     
  18. Rottizine

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    Frank I called them yesterday and got a shipping label today. Thanks for the recommendation.


    Thanks!! Orginally from right up the street from you in Springtucky

    Thanks man!!

    Jams? Like smuckers?

    It is not my grip. I look like a gorilla holding that little gun and it barely moves when fired. I guess I could by a vice and some snobberish bullets for it to work correctly :supergrin:.

    Spring rate/bullet weight is what the Glock specialist in the area had me try today. Probably would of been more pronounced if the bullet weight was even higher. All in all I did not notice much.

    Before this all occurred with there latest models how often would you get BTF with a typical glock? Like 1 in 300 pulls? or are these types of guns pretty finicky and only like certain ammo to eject correctly?

    Thanks for your advice!!
     
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    they are not typically finnicky, mine fired anything i ran through it. have you done a detail strip and clean? sounds to me like things aren't moving clean and smooth on the inside.:wavey:
     
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    quit whining.