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New NFL rule bans off-duty police from carrying guns into stadiums

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Durden, Oct 22, 2013.

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  1. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Yup. That won't play well to some.

    Hence the rule change.


    Carry for all or carry for none.

    (It isn't like they don't have 329320234238234 police officers at every game anyhow. Do you have any idea how hard it is to deal smack in the stands of a local foozball game these days???)
     
  2. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    While not maybe a good idea to mix alcohol and firearms, nothing wrong with a drink here and there while carrying.
     
  4. DanaT

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    If a stadium is owned or leased by a private entity, why don't GTers seem to be supporting private property rights???
     
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    Herzeleid Kein Mitleid

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    Whoa a shooting at a raiders game?!?!!? Color me surprised! Were there riots after, too? :rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    Herzeleid Kein Mitleid

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    hey, by all means if it's private property. I'll just exercise my right to not go there.

    ...Of course, I never liked football to begin with.
     
  7. DanaT

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    That is a good solution.

    If you don't like the policies of a private business or property, don't go. You have the choice.

    But of course that could cause heartbreaks for someone who loved football...it might even damage them...
     
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  8. ray9898

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    It has always been that way, I don't understand why people act shocked. They don't tell you out of the academy "congrats you are a law enforcement officer weekdays 8-5". Sworn officers are expected to intervene in certain situations in their presence, that is your oath.

    My agency has an off duty policy of observe and report on misdemeanors, identify and intervene in violent crimes or felonies.
     
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    Herzeleid Kein Mitleid

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    So let me throw the ball back in your court now.


    Are you for or against the CRA of 1964?

    I'm personally against it, since that's forcing private business owners to take on "protected" classes.

    If you happen to be FOR the cra of 1964, can we define gun owners are a "protected class" ?
     
  10. Bruce M

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    I wonder if when and where off duty officers carry guns is controlled by the NFL in other states or is it controlled by legislation and/or policy set by the head of the agency?
     
  11. DanaT

    DanaT Pharaoh

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    I don't believe private business should be forced to hire anyone. They should have the employees that best fit their business needs.
     
  12. wjv

    wjv Zip It Stan Lee.. . .

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    But therein is the problem.

    Most (99 75+%) of the professional sports stadiums built in that past couple decades in this country, were build with significant amounts of tax dollars. . So calling them "Private property" is a 100% lie. Public Dollars = Public Ownership. .

    If not, then we need to stop using tax dollars to build stadiums for billionaire team owners. . .
     
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    Not just hire, we're talking about businesses choosing patrons, like what the NFL is doing.

    Just making sure you're staying as consistent as me here. :supergrin:
     
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    Good point. Same seems to apply to colleges too. A lot are built up on public funds.
     
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    A lot of them are effectively public property. Similar to city hall or a police station. Which brings up and interesting point. In my city our training room can be rented out for events such as meetings, weddings, etc. It is pretty much how stadiums are around here.

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  16. DanaT

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    I believe that a private business, or a private person, should be able to enter into or decline a business arrangement based upon their own free will and what makes the best business sense to them.
     
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    And many of the new stadiums have been built with private money too.

    Also, once property is leased, the leasee is the defacto property holder. Think of it like if you rent an apartment. You essentially have control of the building.

    When renting commercial real-estate, think of it as a retailer renting a shop in a shopping mall, the mall owner cannot give police permission to search your store just like if you lease an apartment, and you say no to a search, the landowner cannot give permission. When you lease a property, you have many rights just as if you owned it.
     
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    If I rent a car in California (which I do when I travel to CA), and someone (lets take a fictitious name like CACop) where to stop me does the fact the car does not belong to me, but only rented, mean that said fictitious person can ignore the 4th Amendment and search the car?
     
  19. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Check again. 99%? No. I would say small-market teams have used public money. I know the Krafts, after threatening to go to CT, paid 100% of the tab for the new Gillette Stadium. Bob Kraft said it was the best money he's ever spent.

    Of the last 10 foozball stadiums built

    MetLife (Jets/Giants) Private
    AT&T (Dallas) Public (That is SO funny to me)
    Lucas Oil (Indy) Public
    UofAZ Stadium (Cards) - Quasi-mixed. (private agency with muni rights.)
    Lincoln Financial Field (Philly) Public
    Reliant (Houston) Public (Just as funny as Dallas)
    Gillette (NE) PRIVATE!
    CenturyLink Field (Seahawx) Public
    Ford Field (Detroit) Public (big surprise)
    Sports Authority Field (Denver) Public

    Sooooo. . . WTF are you people voting for these stadiums for??? Are you all tapped????

    And. . . looks like I was wrong above. ROFTFL!!! I never realized that MA was the fiscal conservative that you guys wish you could be. Wow.

    That said - looks like most of these places are really PUBLIC locations. Local rules governing PRIVATE rental of a PUBLIC location would rule, I believe.

    Wow. 7.5 out of 10 stadiums!
     
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  20. fastbolt

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    Well, I wouldn't pay to support professional sports, so it's easy for me to say ... but if you don't like the rule, don't go there.

    Next thing you know, some folks will be complaining they can't park wherever they feel like leaving their vehicle, or can't sit anywhere they feel like sitting. :tongueout:
     
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