New Gen4 Models, The G17B and G19B

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  1. DannyR

    DannyR Moderator Millennium Member

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    Glock is introducing two new Gen4 models, the G17B and G19B. The B stands for beginner. Features are:

    1. they will run on cheap, bargain substandard ammo
    2. 10# dual recoil spring assembly
    3. Added rail and grip training weights

    Frames will be light blue to easily distinguish them from service pistols.

    Warning: Use of full power service ammo will void the warranty.Not to be used for personal defense.

    Have a nice day.:cool::wavey::cool:
     
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    So apparently they think there is a market for this? How much cheaper can "substandard" ammo be than picking up a box of WWB? Not sure I see the value here, although to each, his own...
     

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    Seriously? :rofl:
     
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    While not intended your humor has much truth. It would seem that to handle both duty and "cheap" practice ammo two separate glocks may be needed. This was not the case earlier.
     
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    BS. There have been REPEATED posts here by people such as DannyR, myself & others stating we have had problems for YEARS with new Glocks & light loaded factory ball ammo. The problem is the AMMO. :wavey:
     
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    I suspect it well may be ammo. But the older guns never had this number of complaints re handling the less powerful ammo and yet did not get beat up by the higher power stuff.

    So I don't think the complaints are BS as you so crudely put it.

    If glock was not a privately held company, I would suspect some people on GT were stockholders.
     
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    The difference is that we now have the Internet and today more Internet whiners who have shot little & whine at the least provocation because basically they can whine & get attention.
     
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    I gather you believe that most of the "whiners" re Gen 4 glocks are new glock owners. Is that correct?

    I got the impression a lot of people buying Gen 4 glocks were current glock owners.

    Can we agree that previous owners of say a G19 Gen 2 or 3 who had no problem with those glocks, but then purchase a Gen 4 and have problems are people whose opinion might have some merit?
     
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    Son,

    When I bought a brand new Gen2 G19 in 1996, my dealer sold reloads from a company named Carroll. Price was great but my Glock would not run on them or my reloads. My Gen1, Gen2, and Gen3 G17's, G17L's and G34's would not run on cheap reloads or my competition reloads. The Gen4's are no different, except that now you can buy really cheap, really underpowered Federal Champion 115-FMJ ammo, which I consider an embarrassment to the Federal Cartridge Company. After about 100 rounds of decent ammo, all my 9mm Glocks run on my low powered reloads and even run on Federal Champion "near ammo."

    When Glock introduced the highly successful European G17 to the USA in 1986, it was fitted with an 18# recoil spring. Due to the popularity of really cheap ammo in the USA, Glock reduced the spring to 17#.

    Expecting a pistol designed for NATO ammo to run on substandard ammo is like expecting a hot Mustang V8 to run on cheap flexfuel (regular unleaded watered down to 85% gasoline).

    New Springfield 9mm XD's and XDM's sold at the range where I work will not run on Federal Champion 115-gr ammo either, not out of the box.
     
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    When is the G21B going to be released? I want one :)
     
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    If the Gen 4 is a hot Mustang V8, what would you call the Gen 3, which is less particular about its ammo? A Buick? Certainly not a model T. Gaston would say "Danny Boy stand in the corner", if you said that.
     
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    Would hate to waste a good joke on you. :)
     
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    My Glock 19 Gen 4 ran Federal Champion 115s just fine from the get-go. So far, its run any ammo just fine as it should -- about 2500 total.
     
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    Whoa there Danny, stick to your guns! E85 (the "flexfuel") is actually only 15% gasoline. Your "hot Mustang V8" will run cooler, longer, more efficiently and with MORE power on E85 than on standard gasoline. YMMV...yep, it will go down with E85, but the $/mile is about the same.
     
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