New Gen 3 G17 - Range Report - Good, Bad, Ugly

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  1. HKLovingIT

    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

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    Howdy,

    I did some horse trading and decided to get another NIB Gen 3, G17. I like them. :wavey: Here are the details:

    Model: New In Box, Gen 3 G17 9mm
    First Three Serial: SVF
    Test Fire Collection Date: 3/1/2012
    Extractor: Has the dip and looks like a number 3 on it.
    Finish: Looks pretty much like my old G17OD, G19 and G26. Happy about that.

    Anyway, after the paperwork I went to the club. I had the two magazines that came with it and another known good one. Pistol pulled out of the box, disassembled and checked. Drops of oil where you're supposed to put drops of oil, and back together for shooting. I was just shooting plates and steel silhouettes.

    Ammo Fired:

    150 Rounds Federal 115 gr
    100 Rounds American Eagle 124 gr

    Malfunctions:

    No FTF, FTE. See below.

    Other:

    I must say this is the first time I've ever had one of my Glocks eject to the left. :rofl: Right away it was randomly ejecting brass all over the place. Some to the left, which I guess were bouncing off the slide or something? A bunch straight back at my face. Got a couple down my jacket. Some to the right. A few clear over my head.

    It was kind of funny. Kind of. :steamed: I had a circle of brass all around my feet, left to right and some straight behind me. I was hoping it might stop after a bit, but no such luck. Every magazine from round one to the end, did the same crazy stuff. The brass itself looked good with no dings or scrape marks. No brass flakes in the slide.

    I know, I know Federal 115 gr isn't the cat's meow, but my other three Glocks shoot it just fine and throw it to the right. I'm a little miffed. I was hoping I had waited long enough to avoid any problems, and in particular I hoped with another Gen 3 my chances of issue would be reduced. Kind of messed up that I even had to be thinking that I would need to "get lucky" and pick up a G17 that ran good out of the box. Seriously Glock, Whiskey-Tango-Foxtrot? :faint:

    Anyway, I packed it in after my 250 rounds. When I got home I detail stripped the slide. The extractor did fall out from the slide easily which is good. The ejector is the same part number as in my other three 9mm models. I reached into my big 'ole tub of Glock spare parts and found an old LCI 9mm extractor that I had purchased a few years ago and swapped it in. I'm hoping that fixes it. I'll try to run out tomorrow AM and put another 150 or so through it.

    If not, I'll put the original back in and send it back to Glock I guess. I don't want to burn too much cash in ammo trying to diagnose whatever the issue is.

    Aside from the ridiculous ejection, which seriously was like some 9mm porn star spurting brass all over the place, everything worked fine. I'm certain it will get fixed one way or another. Just wanted to share my experience with it. Nope, I was not limp wristing - sigh. Yep, I'm sure. I specifically shot very slow and deliberate for 100 rounds (50 Federal, 50 AE) with my wrist firmly locked, solid grip. No difference. It kept being totally random. I'm not the worlds most super duper Glock shooter, but I have been shooting them for a few years now at a pace of about half a case to a case worth of ammo a month, and I haven't had this issue before with my three older Gen 3s. :dunno:

    If you have any other suggestions, I'm open.

    Pic below so you know it happened: I compared the finish to my 2008-2009 production models and it really doesn't look that different to me side by side. It looks a little more "matte" towards the rear of the slide in this photo because of the way the sun was.

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  2. novasquid

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    the polishing mentioned in the sticky thread in this forum helped some people. it didn't do anything for me. i swapped out the extractor and put in a glock .40sw extractor, and it's working beautifully for me. here's a little video i made showing the improvement. prior to this, i was getting casings to the head, over the head, and left.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqpCHffZwzc"]glock g19 gen4 - YouTube[/ame]
     

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    last friday for $370+tax i picked up a used gen 3 g17 that had a test fire date of 3/30/11 and looked new. inside looked like it had a box of ammo put through it and was not cleaned, but still had the factory copper lube in it.

    at the range with low powered federal it had a few left and straight back ejections, as well as some weak ejections but no failures. with 124 +p and 147gr gold dots and 147gr rangers every round ejected perfectly. my '92 vintage g21 occasionally has the same issues with crappy practice ammo.
     
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    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

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    Yeah I think I'm going to hit Wally World in the AM and see if they have some of the Winchester NATO around still and try some of that. I'll take along some federal 115 gr too and then hopefully I can tell if my new-old-stock ejector is doing anything good or not.
     
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    HKLovingIT Resident Evil

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    Yep that looks real good. Do you recall what ammo you were shooting in the vid?
     
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    It's a new gun with strong unbroken-in springs shooting low energy range ammo....maybe it's ejection patterns are the result of less than positive ejector strike so the brass goes up instead of flinging right.
    Maybe.:dunno:
     
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    124gr speer lawman. It's the only thing I shoot out of my g19. :)


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    Agree. I'll run some NATO spec through it and see what I get. I'll take along the original extractor and experiment. Just don't honestly recall having this with my 3 older ones and I shoot the cheap stuff all the time. :whistling::supergrin:
     
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    Limp wristing?




    Just kidding:)

    My G4 17 started out dribbling brass down my right arm, occasional brass to the face. A couple brass over the left arm. I thought it was funny. All American Eagle 124gr, with some Lawman 124gr.

    Also funny to read the GT "experts" blaming people for limp wristing. I'm a long time handgunner including an original 26. The brass dribble was clearly the gun.

    The only failure was a stovepipe in the second magfull, and none since.

    Over time, I guess the gun just got broken in. By now it has pretty much just fixed itself. I didn't do anything to it, other than shoot it :)

    Good luck:)
     
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    This!!!! I love that ammo. Now that I have a G23 I shoot the 165gr Speer Lawman. Ejects like its going out of style.
     
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    Yeah it's pretty funny the first time you see it.

    An old non-LCI 15 degree extractor w/SLB made no difference in my Gen3 G27. Only the "Gen4" 28926 ejector fixed it.
     
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    HK, just gotta say, I'm a fan of your reviews! Congrats on the new heater brother!
     
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    UPDATE: 4/3/2012

    Yesterday after my first range visit I changed out the extractor that the G17 came with for an old one I had in my spare parts tub from a few years ago. Today I went back to the range.

    I stopped off at Wally World looking for some Winchester NATO but they didn't have any. So I was stuck with my usual stuff.

    Rounds Fired Today:

    150 Federal 115 gr
    50 American Eagle 124 gr
    10 Speer Gold Dot 124 gr +P

    Results:

    Switching my extractor to my "new old stock" one from my spare parts tub made it stop ejecting to the left. During this trip it did not do it once.

    Last time I was getting 3-4 left hand ejections per magazine of ten rounds. The rate of brass straight back to my face also went from a few every magazine to once or so.

    I decided to detail strip the frame and go back to my big 'ole tub of spare Glock parts. I had an old trigger housing with ejector in there. I compared it to the one that the new pistol came with. Though they both have the same part number they look slightly different. You can see in the photo below this text that the one it came with has a pronounced bend or crimp in it.

    Anyway, I put the "new old" one in and assembled the pistol. That pretty much put an end to my problems. I went through the remaining 110 rounds and only had two brass to the face and no left hand ejection. Not perfect but a hell of a lot better than what was going on yesterday.

    Interestingly one of the brass to face was a Gold Dot 124 gr +P. It did not actually hit me in the face but sailed way up high and back over me. :dunno:

    So, I'm not calling this 100% yet but I will go another 300-400 rounds in it this weekend and see what happens. If it settles in great. If not, I'm done fooling with it and I will send it back to Glock. I'll also take along my old OD G17 and shoot ammo from the same case and see if it does anything weird, doubt it.

    Now, some will say that it is shooter error or that Federal 115gr stinks. Yes that is true it does, but if my SIGS, H&Ks, 3 x Gen 3 Glocks, my PM9 and hell even my little Ruger LC9 can all shoot it without a bunch of weirdness, well then? Also I was able to immediately make all left hand brass spitting stop by swapping to a new extractor manufactured about 4 years ago and never used before.

    Here is the photo showing the differences between the trigger housings. On the left is the one it came with. On the right is the one I pulled out of my tub of parts. I am glad I did not listen to those who told me the only spare parts you need for a Glock are a guide rod. Uh-huh. :tongueout::whistling:

    I will update again after this weekend. Thanks. :wavey:

    I did not shrink this photo so you could see it close up. You should be able to click the photo and then use the plus sign in the upper left corner to zoom in.

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    Maybe your new gun was factory set up as a left-hand model?

    :rofl:
     
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    Yes, all part of the ambidextrous ergonomic craze these days. A lefty would have loved this pistol out of the box. :rofl:
     
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    hoghunter82 FL Glocker #182

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    My late model Gen 3 ejected left as well. I was told it was a limp wrist issue from the experts here. I doubt it. Every time I think about getting back into Glock I read threads like this. I'll still get another Glock but why do these issues persist?


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    Great review! Subscribing for more info. Do you have any experience with the Federal 180gr from Wally World ?
     
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    Or is the 180gr just for .40 ?
     
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