New computer time! Need input.

Discussion in 'Tech Talk' started by Clyde in CO, Sep 8, 2007.

  1. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    OK so it's welcome to new desktopland, population: ME.

    I was going to do what I did last time, buy the parts on newegg and pay a local shop to put it together for me.

    My main motivation for this is I can get much more bang for my buck. Or so I thought.

    Now I hear people saying that the gap has closed, and retailers like dell are making comparable systems, prices have come down and it's just as good to buy from them.

    So, what I need are some system specs.

    If you were going to build a PC, what parts would you buy off newegg?

    I need some input so I can do comparisons on price and see which way is the best deal.

    Keep in mind this will be my main desktop that I will use for a few years, so I want to go high end. Not 5k extreme gaming, but not bargain basement either.

    Thanks for the help

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  2. srhoades

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    ASUS motherboard that supports RAID, 2 large SATA II drives setup in a RAID mirror, (2)1 gig sticks of RAM, OEM copy of Windows XP PRO, Enermax, Antec, or Coolermaster PS and case, Lite-On DVD burner. If you plan on gaming the general rule of thumb is to buy the most expensive card you can afford, or buy 2 mid range cards that suppot SLI. Otherwise onboard video is fine.
     

  3. Razrbk444

    Razrbk444 Sumthin' Witty Silver Member

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    To add to what shroades said, if you can properly spec parts for a computer, you can BUILD it yourself. Saves time waiting for it, and money that's smarter spent on better hardware.
     
  4. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    I did some pricing online, started with a low end dell and customized it came out with

    Intel® Core™2 Duo Processor E6550 (4MB L2 Cache,2.33GHz,1333 FSB)
    Genuine Windows Vista® Ultimate
    No Monitor
    4GB Dual Channel DDR2 SDRAM at 800MHz- 4DIMMs
    320GB Serial ATA Hard Drive (7200RPM) w/DataBurst Cache™
    16X DVD+/-RW Drive
    256MB NVIDIA GeForce 8600GT-DDR3
    Integrated Sound Blaster®Audigy™ HD Software Edition
    No Keyboard
    13 in 1 Media Card Reader
    56K PCI Data Fax Modem
    IEEE 1394a Adapter


    for $1373.

    can I build something better for less?
     
  5. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    I was doing some pricing on newegg, had made it up to $1100 and hadn't even gotten to the video card yet.

    buying from dell is looking better and better.
     
  6. HAVOC

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    Just throwing something equivalent together real quick... $400 less for the same specs, almost certainly better parts. What would you like to improve with those 4 Benjamins? I'd add hard drives or maybe beef up the vid card myself...

    ASUS 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with 14X DVD-RAM Write and LightScribe Black PATA Model DRW-1814BL - OEM
    Item #: N82E16827135148
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    $27.99


    Antec NSK4480B Black 0.8mm cold-rolled steel construction ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 380W Power Supply - Retail
    Item #: N82E16811129032
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    $89.99


    HITACHI Deskstar T7K500 HDT725032VLA360 (0A33435) 320GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Item #: N82E16822145129
    Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

    Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $14.99 2 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $19.99
    $66.99


    U.S. Robotics USR263092-OEM 56Kbps Modem - OEM
    Item #: N82E16825104002
    Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

    $9.99


    Leadtek PX8600GT TDH GDDR2 GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR2 PCI Express x16 HDCP Ready SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
    Item #: N82E16814122034
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.99 2 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99
    $103.99


    Rosewill RCR-102 52-in-1 USB 2.0 Black Card Reader - Retail
    Item #: N82E16820223073
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    -$5.00 Instant
    $14.99
    $9.99


    G.SKILL 4GB(4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F2-6400CL5Q-4GBNQ - Retail
    Item #: N82E16820231136
    Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.99 2 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99
    -$5.00 Instant
    $164.99
    $159.99


    ASUS P5K LGA 775 Intel P35 ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    Item #: N82E16813131180
    Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

    Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.99 2 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99
    $134.99


    Intel Core 2 Duo E6550 Conroe 2.33GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80557E6550 - Retail
    Item #: N82E16819115030
    Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

    Select An Optional Extended Warranty Plan 1 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $29.99 2 Year Service Net Replacement Plan -- $39.99
    $175.99


    Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
    Item #: N82E16832116215
    Return Policy: Software Return Policy

    -$10.00 Instant
    $189.99
    $179.99
    Subtotal: $959.90
    Calculate Shipping
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    Grand Total: $992.99
     
  7. IndyGunFreak

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    I ALWAYS build, even if it looks cheaper on paper to buy from Best Buy, Dell, Gateway, whatever. You get a far better PC, and you control what goes into it.

    If you go with Havoc's suggestions(very good ones), only thing I'd change is the power supply. I'd try to pick up a better PS, Antec would be my choice.

    Also on motherobards, don't discount Abit and MSI. I actually prefer MSI, Asus, then Abit, but have yet to have a problem out of the 3 of them. Also, don't overlook options from AMD(again, personal preference)

    IGF
     
  8. HAVOC

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    Uhhh... it IS an Antec power supply. Generously installed in the Antec case by Antec.

    I thought about Abit, it's my preferred brand, but they tend to be a little tweaky. TOO many options if you're not into it. I've had moderately poor luck with MSI, but I know that's not neccessarily a common thing. I avoid them anyway.

    AMD is sucking hind tit right now. They aren't even really leading in performance/cost these days, and get killed outright in performance.
     
  9. Razrbk444

    Razrbk444 Sumthin' Witty Silver Member

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    The following specs are basically my current system, except I went with a 5200+ @ 2.6 ghz cpu (best bang for the buck at the time) and a better video card. I also would recommend Vista in the RETAIL version as apposed to OEM just for the transferability in a future system. Also, I included the 22" widescreen monitor I'm using (very sweet!). Keyboard & mouse not listed.

    $1232.92 plus shipping (some items ship free)
    *includes monitor*


    MSI K9N SLI Platinum AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail $119.00

    * CPU Type: Athlon 64 X2 / Athlon 64 FX / Athlon 64
    * Dual Channel Supported: Yes
    * FSB: 1000MHz Hyper Transport (2000 MT/s)
    * Maximum Memory Supported: 8GB
    * Model #: K9N SLI Platinum
    * Item #: N82E16813130048
    * Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130048




    AMD Athlon 64 X2 6000+ Windsor 3.0GHz Socket AM2 Processor Model ADX6000CZBOX - Retail $169.99
    Customer Choice Award3x Winner of Customer Choice Award - CPUs / Processors

    * 64 bit Support: Yes
    * HT: 2000MHz
    * Hyper-Transport Support: Yes
    * L1 Cache: 128KB+128KB
    * Model #: ADX6000CZBOX
    * Item #: N82E16819103773
    * Return Policy: Processors (CPUs) Return Policy

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103773


    OCZ Platinum 4GB(4 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Quad Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ2P8004GQ - Retail $205.99

    * Cas Latency: 4
    * Features: Platinum Mirrored XTC Heatspreader OCZ Enhanced Latency Technology
    * Heat Spreader: Yes
    * Timing: 4-5-4-18
    * Model #: OCZ2P8004GQ
    * Item #: N82E16820227252
    * Return Policy: Memory (Modules, USB) Return Policy

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227252


    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3400620AS 400GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM $99.99

    * Average Latency: 4.16ms
    * Average Seek Time: 8.5ms
    * Average Write Time: 10ms
    * Cache: 16MB
    * Model #: ST3400620AS
    * Item #: N82E16822148138
    * Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148138




    EVGA 256-P2-N751-TR GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail $114.99

    * Chipset Manufacturer: NVIDIA
    * Core clock: 540MHz
    * DirectX: DirectX 10
    * DVI: 2
    * Model #: 256-P2-N751-TR
    * Item #: N82E16814130085
    * Return Policy: Limited 30-Day Return Policy


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130085



    ASUS 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with 14X DVD-RAM Write and LightScribe Black PATA Model DRW-1814BL - OEM $27.99

    * Cache: 2MB
    * CD-R: 48X
    * CD-ROM Access Time: 150ms
    * CD-RW: 32X
    * Model #: DRW-1814BL
    * Item #: N82E16827135148
    * Return Policy: Standard Return Policy




    Acer AL2216Wbd Black 22" 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor with HDCP support - Retail $224.99

    * Brightness: 300 cd/m2
    * Contrast Ratio: 700:1
    * Display Colors: 16.7 Million
    * Display Type: WSXGA
    * Model #: ET.2216B.0D0
    * Item #: N82E16824009094
    * Return Policy: [LCD] Limited Non-Refundable 30-Day Return Policy




    Antec Sonata III Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail $89.99 after $30.00 Mail in rebate

    * 120mm Fans: 1 x 120mm rear fan with 3-speed control to balance quiet with cooling
    * 80mm Fans: No
    * Expansion Slots: 7
    * External 3.5" Drive Bays: 2
    * Model #: Sonata III
    * Item #: N82E16811129024
    * Return Policy: Standard Return Policy

    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129024



    Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM $179.99

    * Disclaimer: This OEM software is intended for system builders only and cannot be transferred to another PC once it is installed. The purchaser of this software is required to comply with the terms of the System Builder license, including the responsibility of providing all end user support for the software. http://www.microsoft.com/ oem/sblicense/default.mspx
    * Features: Windows Vista Ultimate is the most comprehensive edition of Windows Vista. It is the first operating system that combines all of the advanced infrastructure features of a business-focused operating system, all of the management and efficiency features of a mobility-focused operating system, and all of the digital entertainment features of
    * Packaging: OEM
    * Model #: 66R-00838
    * Item #: N82E16832116215
    * Return Policy: Software Return Policy


    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116215
     
  10. Razrbk444

    Razrbk444 Sumthin' Witty Silver Member

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    Don't forget to tell us what route you chose.....Inquiring minds want to know.:thumbsup:
     
  11. IndyGunFreak

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    My bad, when I went to newegg and I was looking at the stuff you posted, I must have clicked the wrong case, cuz it had some brand PS I'd never heard of.

    I've had my current pc with an MSI board for probably around 1-1.5yrs, no probs. If for some reason though, an MSI is not available, I have no probs with Asus and Abit, I've had good luck with both of them.

    Stay safe, hope that clears up any misunderstanding.

    IGF
     
  12. nickg

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    here's my new system i put together about 2 months ago. got everything from Tiger Direct:

    NEW STUFF:

    MOTHERBOARD:
    ABIT KN9 SLI NVIDIA Socket AM2 (940) ATX Motherboard / Audio / PCI Express / SLI Ready / Dual Gigabit LAN / S/PDIF / USB 2.0 / Serial ATA / RAID
    The KN9 SLI motherboard is based on the NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI MCP Northbridge chipset. It supports AM2 (940) Processors, with Hyper-Transport technology and 2000MHz Front Side Bus support.

    PROCESSOR:
    AMD Athlon 64 X2 5400+ Socket AM2 CPU

    RAM:
    Dual Channel PC5400 DDR2 667MHz Memory (4 GB Total on System – (4) 1GB sticks)

    GRAPHICS:
    Sparkle GeForce 7300 GT / 512MB DDR2 / SLI Ready / PCI Express / DVI / VGA / HDTV / Video Card (MOBO has one more PCIe slot open if you want to bridge two graphics cards or add a second card)

    PSU:
    Ultra / X-Finity / 600-Watt / ATX / Dual 80mm Fan / SATA-Ready / SLI Ready / Blue / Power Supply

    CPU COOLER/HEATSINK:
    Thermaltake / TMG A3 / Socket AM2/939/754 / Aluminum Base / CPU Cooler

    CASE:
    Ultra X-Blaster Black ATX Mid-Tower Case with Clear Side, 1mm thick high grade steel. The X-Blaster has 10 drive bays. Four tool-free 5.25" drive bays, one external 3.5" bay and five internal 3.5" bays. PCI and AGP cards can be installed and secured to their slots without tools. Components can be kept cool by installing a pair of 120MM fans to the front and rear fan mounts. X-Blaster even includes an Intel TAC compliant CPU duct and VGA vent.

    I also added an SATA DVD/CD combo drive as well.

    All told - after all the rebates I got, my cost was probably just above $600.00 (not including shipping for all items).

    Didn't buy a new keyboard, mouse, speakers, or monitor as I already have what I need there. Also I kept my HDD and installed it on the new setup as it's only 2 years old.

    Quite happy with the new setup!!! :)
     
  13. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    A buddy of mine worked this out for me, whaddyall think?

    PLEXTOR 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With Replaceable Beige Bezel Black ATAPI Model PX-800A/SW - Retail
    Item #: N82E16827249018
    $30.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $68.99

    Thermaltake Armor Series VA8000BWS Black Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case - RetaiItem #: N82E16811133154
    $30.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $149.99

    Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Item #: N82E16822148262
    $69.99

    XFX PVT84JUDF3 GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
    Item #: N82E16814150230
    $15.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $239.98
    ($119.99 each)

    XION Supernova XON-600F14R-201 ATX12V 600W Power Supply - Retail
    Item #: N82E16817190012
    $50.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $119.99

    mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996576 - Retail
    Item #: N82E16820146699
    $20.00 Mail-in Rebate
    $100.99

    Open Box: ASUS P5N32-E SLI LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 680i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - OEM
    Item #: N82E16813131073R
    $139.99

    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
    Item #: N82E16819115017
    $279.99


    Subtotal: $1,169.91
     
  14. HAVOC

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    Pretty much overpriced and betting on the rebate. I won't buy on rebated price, too much bait and switch. I'd rather just buy a $35 drive and be done with it. Plextor used to be the ****, but anymore they're all made in the same factory.

    That's a lot of cabbage for style. Do you really want the glowy lights, plexi side panel and all that? There's nothing mechanical about that case that justifies the price.

    A lot of folks will disagree, but I've personally had really bad luck with Seagate drives. I'd lean toward W-D. Actually, I've had really excellent results with Maxtor drives, although most claim them as bottom-of-the-barrel. With capacity as cheap as it is, I'd get something bigger. Probably even a pair and run RAID1.

    SLI? WTH for? It's a nice feature if you're really into it, but starting out with SLIed midrange cards? Ummm... no. You can get into an 8800GTS for that, and you'll have better performance, in all games (SLI doesn't work the same with all titles) and the option of adding SLI down the road if you need the horsepower.

    Unless you plan to be adding a lot of hardware, that's overkill. The removable leads look fiddley, too. Can't say as I've heard of the brand, either.

    As good a choice as any. Good brand, good specs.

    First, it's an open box, so it won't be there long and is probably missing something. Second, unless you're married to SLI and don't want to fiddle with hacked drivers, get an Intel based board. Their drivers are better than nVidia's (we won't talk about ATi) and overall are more stable.


    Don't buy the open box.

    No real need for the quad, but they're so cheap now, why not?

    You're missing the OS. So plan to add at least another c-note. More if you want the better versions. Less if you plan to start dabbling in Linux or BSD.
     
  15. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    so gimmie some other options~
     
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    HAVOC Guest

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    Scroll up about 8 posts...

    What didn't you like about that list?

    What exactly are you wanting the thing to do for you when all is said and done?
     
  17. RaiderRodney

    RaiderRodney Just Win Baby

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    I agree with getting a good high/mid range video card and staying away from SLI or Crossfire setups. And don't rule out ATI's offerings the X1950XT's are very good cards ;)

    I'd get a better brand power supply for that kind of money. Stick with Antec, OCZ, or maybe Thermaltake. I have the OCZ Gamestream 600 myself.

    Be sure to check out Tom's hardware. They have some nice performance charts to compare CPUs and graphics cards. Good luck!
     
  18. Clyde in CO

    Clyde in CO LOL WUT?

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    OK

    Here's the final list for review, just to make sure there are no problems/comflicts.

    This will be my desktop for the next long while, so I figured what the heck and went with a quad core, SLI, and raid.

    Please tell me what you think~

    Thanks


    Antec Sonata III Black 0.8mm cold rolled steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 500W Power Supply - Retail
    Model #: Sonata III
    Item #: N82E16811129024
    $149.95 -$20.00 Instant $129.95


    ASUS P5N32-E SLI Plus LGA 775 NVIDIA nForce 650i SLI ATX Intel Motherboard - Retail
    Model #: P5N32-E SLI Plus
    Item #: N82E16813131153
    $194.99


    XFX PVT84JUDF3 GeForce 8600GT 256MB 128-bit GDDR3 PCI Express x16 SLI Supported Video Card - Retail
    Model #: PVT84JUDF3
    Item #: N82E16814150230
    Mail-in Rebate
    $119.99


    Intel Core 2 Quad Q6600 Kentsfield 2.4GHz LGA 775 Processor Model BX80562Q6600 - Retail
    Model #: BX80562Q6600
    Item #: N82E16819115017
    $279.99


    mushkin 2GB (2 x 1GB) 240-Pin DDR2 SDRAM DDR2 800 (PC2 6400) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model 996576 - Retail
    Model #: 996576
    Item #: N82E16820146699
    $97.99 $97.99


    (2)Seagate Barracuda 7200.10 ST3250410AS 250GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s Hard Drive - OEM
    Model #: ST3250410AS
    Item #: N82E16822148262
    $69.99 $139.98


    KDS K-22MDWB2 Black 22" (21.6" Viewable) Screen 5ms DVI Widescreen LCD Monitor - Retail
    Model #: K-22MDWB2
    Item #: N82E16824155049
    $234.99


    ASUS 18X DVD±R DVD Burner with 14X DVD-RAM Write and LightScribe Black PATA Model DRW-1814BL - OEM
    Model #: DRW-1814BL
    Item #: N82E16827135148
    $28.99


    Microsoft Windows Vista 64-Bit Ultimate for System Builders Single Pack DVD - OEM
    Model #: 66R-00838
    Item #: N82E16832116215
    $189.99 -$10.00 Instant $179.99

    Subtotal: $1,406.86
     
  19. HAVOC

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    Welp... I don't see ant problems per se. But I'll give you my opinion.

    First and foremost, I avoid off-brand LCDs like the plague. Nothing but bad luck with them. Samsung. Viewsonic. NEC. Other than that..? No thanks. I like more pixels, too, but that's DEFINITELY a personal thing.

    Check out http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...mpareItemList=N82E16824155049,N82E16824001240 . Same exact specs. $45 more. And worth every penny to me. Never had a problem with a Samsung LCD. Lots of people have fine luck with weird brands. I just got tired of taking them back to the store when they don't work right.

    If you're counting on the teeny speakers in the monitor, you're going to be disappointed. They're fine for windows noises, but sadly lacking for CDs, DVDs or games. You can get a good 2 piece set for $30 though, so not a big deal to handle later.

    I would still (and did, a 975x) pick an Intel P35 based board over the nVidia, but it does make SLI more fiddley. I just like Intel's drivers better. But I can't fault the nVidia if you think you might want SLI and aren't comfortable using hacked drivers.

    I don't see any problems on your list, just some things I'd personally do differently. And unless you hate working with your hands, you'll find building a PC to be an at least interesting, if not satisfying, experience. And while the specs and price may be similar to what Dell was asking, you'll have a much better product when you're done.

    Go for it.
     
  20. TacticalRecon

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    Should easily be under $1,000!!