New 500 yard record group

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  1. toshbar

    toshbar Timber Baron

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    I instructed at an Appleseed Project event this weekend, and late Sunday the instructors went to the full distance range and got to shoot. This was at the RWVA home range in Ramseur, NC. The range goes out to 500 yards.


    5 shots; 7 inch group at 500 yards from my converted 5.45 Saiga :dancing:

    Not bad for a bunch of sheet metal and rivets. :supergrin:

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    I have pictures of the range if anyone is interested.


    Update 5-30-2011: Shot a 4" group at 500 yards with the Saiga - SUB MOA!!!!!!!
     
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    Excellent shooting.
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  3. my762buzz

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    Very nice group. Nice 500 yard range from the pictures posted elsewhere. The nearest public range here is 100 yards and way too busy to get any decent work done.
     
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    Show us the rest of the target!
    My AKM would have trouble doing that at 200! I guess I need one of those russian 5.45's.
    My AR could do that, but my AKM no way...I'm impressed.
    I bet you got one of those special Saigas annoited with vodka and blessed by MK himself.
     
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  5. toshbar

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    [​IMG]

    That is not me or the target I shot, but I was right next to it.
     
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    shoulda used a $100 bill.
     
  7. toshbar

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    I'm a poor college kid. I rarely have $100 bills on hand.:crying:
     
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    Something worthy of mention is that the AK is not inherently "inaccurate". The combination of a heated up barrel, cheap Russian ammo and a tightly fitted gas tube are you're three biggest culprits. Tightly fitted gas tubes ruin barrel harmonics and chances are that if if your gas tube cant rotate ever so slightly, it's one of the causes. While the AK will never be confused with a long range match rifle, there's nothing inherent in the design that makes it inaccurate. Another factor is the very short sight plane between the sights. I've shot a few AK's that really surprised me, most notably the 5.45's.
     
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    This. My 7.62x39 AK will do about 3 inches at 100 yards, with iron sights, using Wolf ammo. With good ammo, I'm sure it could do much better than I could. I don't think it will compare to the AR (which is inherently more accurate with good ammo), but it's not much worse. If someone was shooting at me from 300 yards with an AK, I wouldn't stand there confident that they will miss, which is the attitude I've sometimes seen on this board.
     
  10. Cheseldine

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    How much does the bullet drop at 500 yards? I mean how high are you having to hold?
     
  11. toshbar

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    I was holding dead center for the above photo. I have my scope zeroed at 500 yards - for the most part, in that photo, the group was about 6" high so I could have come down about 4 clicks.

    I shot at 200 yards(holding center again) without touching the scope and it was 24" high, so it dropped 18" from 200 yards to 500 yards - not bad in my limited experience. I have no idea what .30-06, .308, or .223 would do.
     
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    Update 5-30-2011: Shot a 4" group at 500 yards with the Saiga - SUB MOA!!!!!!!
     
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    One thing I've noticed with owning a few AK's is that they settle down past 100yrds at least in the Soviet rounds. They may not group impressively at 100yrds, but the bullets aren't always as stable (like a freshly spun top) and settle in a 'sleep' (no wobble) around 200yrds.
    I'm sure many guns may be like that, but IMO it explains why
    AK's aren't always impressive at 100yrds, yet still hit very well at longer ranges.
     
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    Very impressive. What ammo did you use, if you don't mind me asking? I'd like to try out some good ammo in my AK, just for grins.
     
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    Impressive shot group!!!

    Now, do that again with iron sights.
     
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    Lol. I was shooting 1972 Russian 53 grain surplus stuff. :tongueout:
     
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    Saw the same thing with my Sar-2, shot the same size group at 200 yards than at 100. Never been impressed by any 7.62 AK I shot, but the 5.45 is another story.
     
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    With 7.62x39, the 9.45 twist rate is way too fast for the short lead bullets.
    Russian commercial ammo is not made with super balanced bullets and they can't spin that fast in the air without wobbling a bit out of the spiral path.
    The spin slows down the farther it travels and so it reaches an optimum spin rate at some point. With much better balanced bullets like Sierra and other superior engineered brands, they can be spun much faster and do remain perfectly stable. The use of better balanced bullets will prevent the wobble you speak of. Unfortunately, extreme balanced .311 size bullets in 110 to 130 grain weights are hard to come by for handloadings and non-existent in factory comercial ammo. The simple fix is setting up barrels with a slower twist rate like maybe 1 in 12.
     
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    But wait.....wait! ALL the armchair geniuses say the AK isn't accurate. Can they really be wrong?:rofl::rofl::rofl:
     
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    All my life I heard the experts say that snubbies are inherently inaccurate.

    Someone forgot to remind this guy about that because he can hit a target 200 yards away with a snubbie.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Tied-t1fFsk&feature=related