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Need suggestions & help on my 1st shotgun purchase.

Discussion in 'Tactical Shotguns' started by angels and glocks, Jan 13, 2010.

  1. angels and glocks

    angels and glocks

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    So I've decided to purchase a 12 gauge shotgun, The infamous Mossberg 500. Mainly for HD and also recreational reasons. I want to purchase the standard 18.5" and upgrade the following: Top Folding Stock, Heat Shield, Rubber Pistol Grip Cover, 6 Shot Side Saddle and possibly a muzzle breaker. I have found one used for $250.00 (I'm sure I can bring it down at least $30). I also have found a possible deal on a brand new 20" mossberg 500a for $275. IMO the 20" looks way better w/ the longer magazine (7+1) but would be hard to maneuver around my house in a situation. What do you guys think? Are these even good prices? What should I do?

    My other questions:

    Can you make the magazine tube on the 18.5" models longer? So they're aligned?

    Which do you think is the best for my HD shotgun: ATI Top folding stock, Choate top folding stock, Knoxx SpecOps folding stock? My 1st choice would have been the ATI Top folding only because it looked badass.. sort of like a spas-12. After a bit reading... my perspective has some what changed.

    Also, are 1 point slings compatible with any of the above foldable stocks? I tried googling images, but could not find any.

    Lastly, what is the difference between a Mossberg 500 vs 500a? Someone told me they were exactly the same?

    I would appreciate it very much if anyone with shotgun knowledge help answer some of my questions. The sooner I figure this all out the sooner I will be able to start placing orders.Thank you in advance!
     
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  2. mixflip

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    Personally I dont feel there is a huge tactical disadvantage between an 18" barreled shotgun vs a 20" barreled shotgun.

    A long gun by its nature has its disadvantages when clearing a house in general. Now you did say you wanted a folding stock? That would make a more significant difference I would think? I am not a fan of them but for storage or in "extremely" tight quarters like narrow hallways and corners and non-traditional shooting positions (from the hip) or getting in & out of a vehicle folding stocks are nice. I'd still unfold them though when shooting.They dont hold up well with the classic but stroke if you ever needed to though? Plus I rarely shoot from the hip unless I am just plinking. I advocate traditional stocks or pistol grips with traditional stocks.

    Longer tubes? Yes on many guns. Not every gun though. Choate is probably the most common choice? The 500 is very common so accessories are everywhere for them. I believe a 2 shot extension will line up with an 18.5 inch barrel. I have a 2 shot extension on my Remington and I am ordering an 18.5 inch barrel soon.

    I had an ATI top folder on my Mossberg but after the cool look factor wore off I put the traditional stock back on for real world duty.

    I am not a fan of single point slings on a shotgun but I am sure you can clip one on with an adapter/spacer? I dont like them so I can really comment on them for help? They make more sense on SBR's and other really short rifles. Thats just me though.

    500 vs 500a? Not sure but I think they are the same essentially? I am just guessing though???

    I have never been a fan of the short mag tube on the 500's but that is an easy fix. Buy a 590.
     
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  3. angels and glocks

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    How did you like the ATI's performance? Is it wobbly like many reviews have stated? Does it get in the way of the safety lock?

    Also what kind of sling would you recommend for a shotgun pistol gripped? Sorry for the 101 questions. Btw I'm actually considering a Remington 870 now or Moss 590.. Decisions decisions.. btw there's no way to add an extension to the mag on the 500. Supposedly the end cap was not made to be removed.
     
  4. Uncle T-bone

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    Talk to J.D. about what you need in a HD shotgun. His link is: http://www.aiptactical.com/

    He cruises this forum, so he may respond to you, anyway. He has forgotten more about 870's than the rest of us will ever know.
     
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    Also read this thread: http://glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1168459

    And watch the video's in the links.

    Save your money for ammo and training, don't get all the tacticool crap and learn to use a plain Jane shotgun.

    [​IMG]
     
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    The only stock that will make much of a difference is the Knox stock. It does suck up recoil, otherwise stick with the factory model.

    The 1.5" difference is barely noticeable. I have a side saddle on my 500. It's a dedicated HD gun. Once you put it on it makes the shotgun difficult to strip down and clean. A lot more effort is required. I have another 500 I use with alternate barrels I use for hunting and training.

    The 500 is a great platform.
     
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    I will answer your questions by giving a bit of advice you didn't ask for: forget all that nonsense. Buy the fairly stock gun, get some training with it, find out what you need, and then decide what modifications you want on the gun. I'll bet you decide not to do most of them you have asked about.
     
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    DO NOT put an ATI (6 postion stock) on your Mossy.There is a reason why they are so cheap,its because they are junk.They are WAY too light. So much so that it will double the recoil of the shotgun.They may look cool, but thats about it.

    If you want to put a pistol grip on it, I'd recommend pairing it with a solid stock, not a collapsible one, unless its something like a Knoxx or a Blackhawk with the internal recoil spring, but those usually cost about twice as much as an ATI. They are worth it though if you have the extra money as they reduce recoil by about half.

    Any sling will do really. As far as a mag extension,you really don't need one IMO. If I'm not mistaken,the Mossy 500 has a 5+1 capacity.That's plenty IMO.As other have stated,keep it simple. Use that money on ammo and the like.
     
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    Great info! I will definitely practice first before i add any after market parts. But the thing i'm stumped on is Rem 870 vs Moss 500. I found a good deal for an excellent condition moss 500 for 250. I'm leaning towards a pistol grip stock and the Rem 870 has an easy access safety button compared to the Moss which is on top, but is great for standard stocks. Also thanks for the links, I'm going to do some research tonight.
     
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    I have both a Remington 870 and 3 Mossberg 500's.

    That's really the main difference between the 2.

    If you really want the pistol grip the 870 is the better choice.

    But if you stick with a standard stock the Mossberg safety is workable from either side. I have more Mossbergs because I have a left handed son.
     
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    I'm going with the Remington 870 tactical 18" w/ Knoxx's SpecOps Stock & Rem's tactical choke (muzzle breaker). Now for prices... does anyone know a good price for this item? Or should I just look for a used or new cheap standard 870 and upgrade it myself? I'm fking excited!!! My glock 17 will have a new friend to hang out with.:rofl:
     
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    If by tactical, you mean model 81400, this one http://personalsecurityzone.com/cgi.../PSZ/?Template=ProdDetail.htm&ProductID=28169, I have it as well.

    I paid 560 out the door for it at a local gun shop.
     
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    That is a nice lookin shotgun
     
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    Anyone in SoCal know where I can purchase the Remington 870 Tac-2 #81400 at a good price ??? I called Turners and they quoted me at 639.99.. WAY too much. Anyone please?!
     
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    No- no - no, Buy a Remington 870HD. Good to go out of the box! Then, buy ammo that is on sale.

    OVERTHEHILLGUY
     
  18. mixflip

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    hey angels, Just fyi for down the road with your 500. Brownells does sell a 20" barrel and magtube kit for the 500. It completely replaces the barrel and magtube with a new one. $149.00 pricey but a nice option if you have a spare change piggy bank that needs some spending in the future.

    It will basically make it look like the top shotgun in this pic. Same barrel and nut setup.
    [​IMG]
     
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    Great news today. No I did not buy my Tactical. I rear ended a 2008 Toyota Highlander :| There goes my tactical shotgun $ and some.

    Btw we're not using insurance. I have my reasons.

    Hooray! *Sarcasm*
    :faint:
     
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    Check to see what modifications Clint Smith, who runs Thunder Ranch, does to his working shotguns - None. Follow his advice and the advice of some above. Get training and get lots of practice.