Need help with this S+W Revolver Model 11?

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  1. wnr700

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    I know a fair amount about Smith and Wesson Revolvers, but this era is quite confusing.

    I wasn't even aware of the Model 11 so any expert help appreciated.

    Given the few threads I have been able to Google, some things don't seem to add up... or it's just another S+W mystery gun. Could be a reworked .38 Special?

    No Lanyard. No British, Canadian, S African military or police stamps. No 178gr stamp.

    See attachments and let me know what you think about the authenticity and if you think it safe to shoot ... and what it will shoot. 38 S+W or .38 Special?

    It's got matching grips Serial Numbers.

    Did not pay a whole lot considering the condition.

    Figured good trade bait for a gun show or a occasional shooter.

    Lots of Holster wear.

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    Stay away from the "+P" ammo. Scrap metal prices aren't very high at the moment. Send me a PM later to remind me when I get back to the office I'll look up the FRT number if I can find it. I've got real time access to the RCMP firearms table as I'm a verifier.
     
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    IMG_0108.PNG IMG_0108.PNG IMG_0108.PNG Here is the reference to a S&W model 11.
     
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    Don't know why or how the post triplicated
    What's the bbl length an I'll get you the FRT # for that particular revolver an any other info I can get for you.
     
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    I just measured the barrel and it is six inches.

    Thank you so much for the help...
     
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    First - It's not a Model 11. Model numbers were not introduced until 1957. Prior to that S&W named their various models. Manufacture date on this one would be sometime in the 1920-1930s time frame.
    That one is commonly referred to as a Pre-Model 10 5 screw in that there are 4 screws holding the side plate and 1 screw in front of the trigger guard. The top side plate screw and the screw in the trigger guard were eventually eliminated in newer models.
    As you can see these early models had the high hump hammers and were a long throw action.
    This one is called a model Military & Police and M&P Hand Ejector.
    That one is chambered for the .38 S&W Special as indicated on the barrel. The full name of the .38 Special as used by S&W is actually .38 Smith & Wesson Special. You could fire any modern day standard pressure .38 Spl rd. I would avoid any +P.
    It is not intended to use .38 S&W round altho a .38 S&W rd may or may not fit. The .38 S&W bullet and the case are slightly larger in diameter than .38 S&W Spl.
    A very common model. In 1957 it was given the Model 10 designation.
     
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    Read my post above re: S&W 11 that's a copy from the RCMP forensic labs.
     
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    If it truly is a model 11 they were originally chambered for 38 S&W not 38 special. The bbl may have been swapped at some point, I would be very cautious about shooting this firearm at all! If it still has the original cylinder chambered for 38 S&W the bores will be slightly larger in dia than a 38 spl bore. If I were you I would do a lot mere research or send for a factory letter and find out the way this revolver left the factory before using it. Definately an interesting piece, and I hope you keep us informed of what you find out about it!
     
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    As ISP said, its serial places it pre numbered model, its an M&P .38sp.
    Good gun.
     
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    Seriously, to this untrained eye I think you've got a very interesting revolver and wouldn't part with it on the low bid.
     
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    Totally correct///
     
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    Yes, there's no model number. It long pre dates that stuff.
     
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    Never fire jacketed ammo in this gun. The barrel will never wear out as long as you only fire lead bullets but the early guns were not made to handle copper jacketed bullets. And if I'm wrong about that, better to Err on the side of caution with a beautiful old gun like this. And it says right on the barrel that it's chambered for the 38 S&W special cartridge., so use either 158 grain lead roundnose or 148 grain target wadcutter ammo only.
     
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    I read your post. It is not a Model 11.
    There are a couple of reasons why that gun posted by the OP is not a Model 11.
    1) Model numbers were not instituted until 1957. That gun was made in the 1920s-1930. The 11 stamped on the frame is an assembly number only. It does not indicate model number.
    2) Model 11 were made in .38 S&W. Or what the British referred to as .38/200. Most of the Model 11s were ship to England. The reference you posted to the RCMP must be referring to the true Model 11s made after 1957. But it sure isn't referring the to OP's gun because it was made 30 years before S&W instituted model numbers. When that gun was made it was called the Military & Police or M&P.
    3) Model 11s had 4" pencil barrel and a lanyard ring on the butt.
    4) That has the long throw hump hammer. No Model 11s, that were stamped Model 11s, were made with the hump hammers.
    The OPs gun isn't a mystery gun. It's a common Pre-Model 10 chambered in .38 Spl which S&W made by the boat load.
     
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    Thank you for helping to solve my little mystery!

    I had a 1930's M&P many years ago and regretted selling her. This example is cosmetically challenged. I will have a gunsmith look her over before putting any rounds down range.
     
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    Good idea taking it to a gunsmith. Have him take off the sideplate and clean & lube. Also, if you stick to Lead ammo and avoid jacketed the barrel will last longer. Low velocity Target wadcutters would be easiest on the gun.
     
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    It's a common pre war model 1905 4th change in fairly rough shape. They don't bring much on the used market. I just bought a pristine example for under $800.

    Here's what they looked like when they left the factory. :cool:

    https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/smith-wesson-model-of-1905-4th-change-revolver.1645387/
     
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    Wow, that's a beautiful gun and story.

    Based on your SN# that would probably put mine around mid 1920's. Too cool.