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Need Help Identifying this S&W Please...

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by The_Gun_Guru, Dec 19, 2011.

  1. The_Gun_Guru

    The_Gun_Guru Build the Wall

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    This gun was carried by my sister-in-law's great-grandfather when he was a cop. I could not find a model # anywhere on the gun! I hope the pics can help ID it....

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    I know it needs a good cleaning but I didn't have my stuff with me and they don't have any gun cleaning supplies. There is a badge that he got when he retired, it states that he was a cop from 1928 to 1961....if that helps.

    Any info you can provide is much appreciated!

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    TGG
     
  2. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    I can't see the logo/trademark stamp. Are you sure it's Smith & Wesson and not a Spanish copy?

    I'm not really a collector, but it looks like a Spanish S&W copy. Did you ever wonder why the S&W trademark stamp is in Spanish? That's why.
     
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  3. RON in PA

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    The serial number on the bottom of the butt will allow ID of the revolver and it's a real S&W, not a copy.
     
  4. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

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    Like I said, I'm no gun collector. How can you tell it's not a copy?
     
  5. gunsmoke92

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    Looks like a pre-war Military and Police. Take a trip to the book store, Barnes and Nobel if you have one close, and find a copy of the "Standard Catalog of Smith and Wesson". If the information isn't in there, you could call S&W and ask.

    Cool old gun. :cool:
     
  6. TN.Frank

    TN.Frank Liberty or Death

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    Yep, looks like on old S&W 5 Screw in 38 S&W Long which I think is the same as the 38 Long Colt. Might also be the same as the 38 Spl. but I'd have to do more research first.

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    http://www.gunblast.com/Cumpston_SW-MP.htm
     
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  7. mabgrac

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    It says Made in the USA on it, so I doubt it is a Spanish copy. Check out these guys, http://smith-wessonforum.com/forum.php, they should be able to tell you pretty easily. Or pay SW for a search, they will tell you when it was made and who or what police force it was shipped too.
     
  8. Adjuster

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    Very cool. Are those grips bakelite(sp)? The areas of wear on that gun give it some great character. It looks like the cylinder near the barrel end have all corners in the flutes worn smooth. Or at least the bluing worn through.

    But to me the most important thing I notice right off is the screws. They don't appear to be buggered and if the case has ever been opened it was done by a professional or very experienced and careful owner.


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  9. Adjuster

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    And the barrel with two pins in it. Simply amazing craftsmanship.
     
  10. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    Looks like an old M&P. I'm guessing maybe 3rd or 4th Model Hand Eject.
     
  11. pennlineman

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    It's an old S&W M&P hand ejector, 4th change. I'm thinking late 20's- early 30's based on the serial number, just a guess though. The grips are not original to the gun. Other than that all looks good to me. S&W did not start using model numbers until 1957.

    The grips on this on this Pre victory M&P should be what the gun came with. If not, very, very similar.

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    Nice heirloom, I'd leave it alone.
     
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  12. 3rdgen40

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  13. faawrenchbndr

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    Did ya miss the "Made in USA"?:poke:
     
  14. tacticalG23

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    I see 32 in the close up photo.

    edit: also no S&W stamped logo on the frame? I'm not up to speed on revolver markings, did they come like this?
     
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  15. ronin.45

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    I'm not gonna lie, at first glance the stylized 2 looked like an 8 to me too.
     
  16. Bren

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    No, did you miss the part where S&W used to have a serious problem with the Spanish and South American companies making what were basically bootleg S&W revolvers - in aprticular tyhe early hand-ejectors? Wouldn't surprise me at all if some said "Made in USA" - my understanding is that, while some companies put their own name on them, others were basically making fake S&W's (that's when/why S&W started putting on marcas Registradas). Every mention of the ".38 LONG CTG" barrel stamp I can find is from one of those bootlegs from a Spanish speaking country.

    EDIT: If the barrel actually says ".32 LONG CTG" that's different, since I can find record of that mark beiong used on real S&W's.
     
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  17. Jim Watson

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    I don't have the specialist S&W book but it is pretty clear from Flayderman that it is the big one, a .32 Hand Ejector Third Model as was made clear from 1911 - 1942. Pretty late serial number in that range, Great Grandpa could have bought it new on the Job in 1928.

    Caliber is .32 S&W Long, still available, still loaded no heavier than it was in 1928. Gun looks good and I would not mind shooting it.

    The grips are really junky looking, though, maybe even hand rasped out of scrap Bakelite. Just as well leave it as is, like Great Grandpa had it; period grips would cost a lot.
     
  18. WoodenPlank

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    Yep, I read it as .32, also.
     
  19. fnfalman

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    Some of them came with no SW stamp, or stamped so lightly that it'd worn off with wear.
     
  20. pennlineman

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    If you look closely below the thumbpiece the trademark may be there. S&W sometimes had the smaller trademark on the left side of the K frames instead of the larger one on the right side. Just like they do with the J frames. My model 34 is stamped in this manner.

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    Nobody has any concrete reasoning as to why they did. The bottom gun is a K frame model 15 stamped on the left as well.

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