close

Privacy guaranteed - Your email is not shared with anyone.

ND while Cleaning a Glock?

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by gunowner1, Nov 26, 2012.

  1. gunowner1

    gunowner1

    Messages:
    1,774
    Likes Received:
    554
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2011
    Location:
    Jensen Beach
    I just heard from my sister that my nephews brother in law shot himself while cleaning his Glock. He died from the injury. My sister sent me a text asking me to be very careful when handlig my guns. I assured her that I am as safe as I can be.
    I know anything is possible but I just don't get how he managed to kill himself with an N.D. I don't have any details because the guy lived in P.A. and I don't have anybody locally who would have any knowledge of the scene and what happened.
    Anybody ever heard stories of people killing themselves while cleaning their gun? Only thing I can think of is that he shot his femural artery and bled out.
     
  2. jtmac

    jtmac Señor Member

    Messages:
    5,395
    Likes Received:
    185
    Joined:
    Feb 2, 2005
    Location:
    State of Denial
    Taking down a Glock involves pulling the trigger. If someone was careless... well, it can happen.

    ALWAYS double check to make sure your weapon is clear. ALWAYS make sure the business end is pointed somewhere relatively harmless even when you "know" it's unloaded.
     

  3. rick458

    rick458 USS Texas BB-35

    Messages:
    4,339
    Likes Received:
    184
    Joined:
    Jan 31, 2003
    Location:
    La Porte Texas
    It is Never unloaded until you look THROUGH the chamber (from the ejection port )
     
  4. gunowner1

    gunowner1

    Messages:
    1,774
    Likes Received:
    554
    Joined:
    Jul 11, 2011
    Location:
    Jensen Beach
    Trust me I follow this procedure every time I clean one of my guns. I shoot every week and clean every gun when I'm done. I am going to try and find out how much experience he had with firearms but it's going to be difficult cause he lived faraway and asking his sister details may seem kind of insensitive.
     
  5. Gallium

    Gallium CLM

    Messages:
    28,685
    Likes Received:
    17
    Joined:
    Mar 26, 2003
    Sorry to hear this.
     
  6. concretefuzzynuts

    concretefuzzynuts Brew Crew

    Messages:
    7,476
    Likes Received:
    24
    Joined:
    Dec 27, 2011
    Location:
    PNW
    I knew a guy who hung himself with a rope.

    The paper described it as a "boating accident".
     
  7. Henry's Dad

    Henry's Dad woof, woof

    Messages:
    820
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Jun 5, 2011
    Location:
    Upriver of 3 Mile Island
    gunowner1,

    Sorry to hear this. Can you tell me where in PA this happened? I'd like to check the local media to see if (and more importantly perhaps, how) it has been covered. The media often likes to exploit these types of incidents for agenda-setting. I'll be happy to share with you anything I find.

    Again, sorry for your loss.
     
  8. Andy W

    Andy W

    Messages:
    3,812
    Likes Received:
    24
    Joined:
    Dec 4, 2006
    Location:
    Kansas
    It should be impossible to do while in the act of cleaning it. I never understood this. "Oh he was cleaning the gun when it went off." Bull****. If you're cleaning it, it's in ****ing pieces. I think most of the time when someone NDs a firearm, it's a voluntary pull of the trigger that's intended to be a dry fire but that's not how it turns out. Everyone I know who has had an ND intentionally pulled the trigger without first checking to make sure the weapon was unloaded. It's never been a case of the old "going off while cleaning it" story.
     
  9. greatwun

    greatwun Senior Member

    Messages:
    1,968
    Likes Received:
    51
    Joined:
    Feb 11, 2009
    Location:
    Orlando, FL
    Im sorry to hear about that. I too wonder how it was possible to happen if following the proper procedures.

    I remember reading a year or so ago about a young man who was showing his family his new Glock and accidentally shot himself. Very Tragic. Exactly why you always treat every gun as if it were loaded.


    Posted using Outdoor Hub Campfire
     
  10. unit1069

    unit1069

    Messages:
    8,585
    Likes Received:
    482
    Joined:
    Oct 10, 2007
    Location:
    So. Central US
    There is a lot of missing information as others have already pointed out.

    Was your nephew's BIL depressed ... intoxicated ... experiencing marital difficulties ... etc?
     
  11. sourdough44

    sourdough44

    Messages:
    3,656
    Likes Received:
    912
    Joined:
    Jul 23, 2007
    Location:
    WI
    One never should be daydreaming while handling/cleaning guns. Then whenever you do pull the trigger, for any reason, it should be pointed in a safe direction. That simple habit pattern should keep anyone safe.
     
  12. airmotive

    airmotive Tin Kicker

    Messages:
    9,204
    Likes Received:
    2,794
    Joined:
    Nov 19, 2007
    Location:
    Debris Field
    First three steps in cleaning a Glock:
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.

    I've done it hundreds of times.

    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; pull the trigger; rack the slide.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.
    Drop the mag; rack the slide; pull the trigger.



    It only takes once.
     
  13. eruby

    eruby

    Messages:
    658
    Likes Received:
    18
    Joined:
    Oct 5, 2011
    Location:
    People's Republc of Maryland
    Grammer police alert - Curtains are hung, people are hanged - :supergrin:

    Sorry to read about this death OP.
     
    Last edited: Nov 27, 2012
  14. dherloc

    dherloc X-Nuc

    Messages:
    1,322
    Likes Received:
    56
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2009
    Location:
    Florida
    You forgot the sound effect half way through your list...and the part where you have to go clean your drawers out.
     
  15. coqui33

    coqui33 NRA Instructor

    Messages:
    328
    Likes Received:
    5
    Joined:
    Jul 16, 2009
    Location:
    Florida
    This. Newsmedia will report a suicide, or not, depending on the family's wishes.
     
  16. di11igaf

    di11igaf ibew

    Messages:
    440
    Likes Received:
    2
    Joined:
    Jun 25, 2012
    Exactly, a friend who was in my apprentiship school with me for 5 years shot himself right before we finished. He was always a little different, but a good guy. It was reported as a ND, but everyone, including his family knew the truth. It's hard to accidentally shoot yourself point blank in the chest with a revolver while cleaning it.(this was the story)
     
  17. Lowjiber

    Lowjiber

    Messages:
    953
    Likes Received:
    7
    Joined:
    Jan 26, 2012
    Location:
    Las Vegas
    My wife's father killed himself while "cleaning" a bolt action rifle. He was a depressed, unemployed, alcoholic who had the "accident" while cleaning his gun in bed.

    The local newspaper did not report it as a suicide, and his mother (now 89) still claims that it was an accident.
     
  18. lethal tupperwa

    lethal tupperwa

    Messages:
    9,495
    Likes Received:
    1,655
    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2002
    Location:
    Virginia
    remove the magazine,

    rack the slide 3 times

    lock open, look in the chamber,stick your finger

    in to see if it is empty!

    a darkened case in poor light can be overlooked.

    Then point in a SAFE direction, release slide and

    pull the trigger.
     
  19. Bren

    Bren NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    47,509
    Likes Received:
    19,236
    Joined:
    Jan 16, 2005
    Location:
    Kentucky
    Gun cleaning accident, is often family-speak for suicide. However, you do have to pull the trigger to take it apart, so if you don't have the sense to empty the chamber first, you can shoot yourself.
     
  20. Fear Night

    Fear Night NRA Life Member

    Messages:
    2,865
    Likes Received:
    4
    Joined:
    Dec 18, 2005
    Location:
    Sweet Home Alabama
    I'm not sure how it's possible.

    Even if you forgot to check the chamber, and just went straight to pull the trigger for takedown, you wouldn't be pointing the gun at yourself. Nobody is going to point the gun at their head, chest, or leg and pull the trigger without the intention of doing so.

    Like others have said in this thread, dying while cleaning a gun is just a nice way of presenting a suicide to others.