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Discussion in 'Political Issues' started by stricky, Aug 17, 2015.
Last I checked native americans were so busy killing, mutilating, and raping each other, they lost to a conquering nation.... such is history. Quit yer *****ing.
War takes over countries. That's the way it goes.
Just remember that there are groups in Mexico and California that see it as a war.
Yup. And only one side is fighting it at this time.
Just curious -- did the Native Americans ever claim to OWN the land they were on? When those Native Americans in New York sold Long Island for the equivalent of $24 (or whatever) in wampum, what I'd heard was they believed they had totally snookered the White Man, because NO ONE owned that land, or any land.
Or Supreme Court justices like Sotomayer that see it that way..
Even today among the older generations of Athabascans, the concept of land ownership was foreign to them and is an idea they had to learn.
Thanks...Extrapolating that to be a commonly held world view among Native Americans, it sort of begs the question how one can grant amnesty to a people for violating the border of a land they didn't claim ownership of in the first place...
They have adapted though. Native Corporations are the largest private land owners up here.
Yep -- but they still can't change the narrative for what happened a few hundred years ago...
Well -- I guess they COULD -- like progressives trying to erase the significance of Jefferson, Madison, Washington, etc.
So called native Americans came from somewhere else too. They also fought, killed and enslaved each other over land and natural resources. Others who came to this continent in the later centuries came looking for much the same thing that the earlier waves of people's were looking for.
As someone who has "Native " ancestors as well as Viking and other Europian ancestry, i ask, "can't we all just get along?"
Exactly, maybe other Indian tribes kicked out by Indians should be asking those tribes for reparations.
Granting amnesty to those who conquered you.
I don't think they appreciate it
Currently reading "1491" about the civilizations here before Columbus. At times they were ahead of Europe in civilization. Smallpox and other diseases were the real conquerors.
OP, enjoyed the article, thanks.
As they say, the conqueror writes the history books.
Huh? They didn't even have the wheel, and engaged in cannibalism and mass murder.
What we saw on TV as kids about the "injuns" was all wrong. Archeologists are making terrific findings of advanced cultures all across The Americas.
Native Americans had the wheel but it never progressed beyond a childs toy. They had wars just as Europe did. Don't know about cannibalism, will check. Their mathematics was ahead of Europe by at least 300 years. Roman Numerals was among the best of early types of math, but they all had one failing, no concept of the number zero. Zero has been found in South American remnants dated much earlier than (Egyptians, I think) invented in Eurasia.
War and disease (mostly smallpox) had done such widespread damage to the European populace that when The Mayflower arrived, they were amazed at the "tall, strong, healthy" natives. The notes from those aboard The Mayflower are quite complimentary of the culture they "discovered."
I recall reading that the Aztecs, at the very least, indulged in cannibalism. They also flayed human skin for ornaments. Human sacrifice, of course, goes without saying.
Certainly not to dis any advances that might have been made in this hemisphere -- everybody's got their thing...
Correction. The mathematical concept of zero is documented to have already been in use in South America by 36BC. Around 150AD it appears in India and Egypt. The 300 year figure I mentioned is speculation, not fact.
I wish I could live long enough to understand all the knowledge waiting to be found in the Americas pre European "discovery." To be able to compare how 2 civilizations isolated from each other would be priceless.