[cowboy1964]

Interesting question just popped into my head: since VT'ers can carry in-state and has no license at all would they be eligible for national reciprocity if that law passed? I'm thinking no, they would not. Maybe they would institute one, just so they would be eligible for national reciprocity.

 

[aviator0402]

people from vermont would not be eligible because they have no permit. Vermont needs to implement a permuting system like Arizona's. you don't need a permit to carry but will issue you one if you want son you can get reciprocity from other states.

 

[TheJ]

people from vermont would not be eligible because they have no permit. Vermont needs to implement a permuting system like Arizona's. you don't need a permit to carry but will issue you one if you want son you can get reciprocity from other states.

Basically this.

 

[kensteele]

people from vermont would not be eligible because they have no permit. Vermont needs to implement a permuting system like Arizona's. you don't need a permit to carry but will issue you one if you want son you can get reciprocity from other states.

people in vt don't have a vt permit (doesn't exist). but people in vt can get permits from other states that will allow them to carry elsewhere, no?

 

[ADK_40GLKr]

Interesting question just popped into my head: since VT'ers can carry in-state and has no license at all would they be eligible for national reciprocity if that law passed? I'm thinking no, they would not. Maybe they would institute one, just so they would be eligible for national reciprocity.

An article I just saw in Freedom Times (heresy!) had the following Myth/fact comparison:

Myth: H.R. 822 would destroy permitless carry systems such as those in Arizona, Alaska, Vermont and Wyoming.

FACT: H.R. 822 would have absolutely no effect on how the permitless carry states' laws work within those states. For residents of Arizona, Alaska and Wyoming, where permits are not required but remain available under state law, H.R. 822 would make those permits valid in all states that issue permits to their own residents. Residents of Vermont, where no permits are issued or required, could obtain nonresident permits from other states to enjoy the benefits of H.R. 822.

 

[2740dmx]

Vermonters never leave the state anyway! :supergrin:

I live in Vermont, but have a non-resident permit from neighboring NH.
I think that would cover me?

Also, I am about to take the Utah CCW course, so that might add to where I can carry....regardless of the National Reciprocity Bill. (won't pass anyway...)

 

[Lord]

I am not sure which side of the fence I am leaning on this national carry thing.... but one thing's for sure... if it passes, I would LOVE to see what happens in NY

 

[CrackerKen]

What Lord said ^

That's going to be interesting, for sure. Same for Illinois.

From what I've read, even current/retired LEO's sometime have problems in NY (especially NYC) when carrying pursuant to the provisions of the Law Enforcement Officers Safety Act of 2004 (LEOSA), or HR218. Those seriously anti-gun areas are certainly going to have a hard time with this.

As for me, I see this law as an opportunity for anti-2A folks to start pushing all sorts of amendments, to the point where the initial legislative intent is gone, and replaced with all sorts of crap. We shall see.

 

[kensteele]

As for me, I see this law as an opportunity for anti-2A folks to start pushing all sorts of amendments, to the point where the initial legislative intent is gone, and replaced with all sorts of crap. We shall see.

You would be right except anti-2A folks don't care.

Do you realise the same thing was said about National Parks carry?

"As for me, I see this [National Parks] law as an opportunity for anti-2A folks to start pushing all sorts of amendments, to the point where the initial legislative intent is gone, and replaced with all sorts of crap. We shall see."

I know time has been short but again, anti-2A folks don't care about National Parks carry. By the same token, they will not care about National Reciprocity.

My goodness, the anti-gun folks have really done a number on the gun owners. Their goal has been to make gun owners so paranoid that they would be too scared to even enact new laws to their own benefit. Seems they are mostly succeeding. We are so afraid to "change" anything less it opens to door to even more [bad] changes. They have paralysed us without even taking action.

 

[CrackerKen]

kensteele - We shall see. I am not against the bill, as written and originally presented. If it can be passed without making a mess of it, and without stepping on our rights, I'm all for it.

 

[Matthew Courtney]

people in vt don't have a vt permit (doesn't exist). but people in vt can get permits from other states that will allow them to carry elsewhere, no?

As the most recent bill was written, Vermonters with a FL permit would be GTG, if all states follow the law. Several jurisdictions ignore the 1986 FOPA, arresting and prosecuting innocent people. Convictions appealed to Federal court have all been overturned, as far as I know, but people have spent 2-3 years in prison before the process got to that point.