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Discussion in 'Hunting, Fishing & Camping' started by StockGlock23, Jul 10, 2006.

  1. StockGlock23

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    I have had a Traditions inline for about 6 years now and I have never been able to get any type of decent group it so I have not hunted with it. It is a .54 caliber and I recently realized that is is a 1:48" twist not a faster twist like I previously thought. So my question is what should I shoot through this to optimize my accuracy. I was thinking round ball but where I hunt I have the opportunity to shoot upwards of 100 yards so I would like to know what would be the best type of bullet to try. I was thinking either a patched round ball or some type of conical bullet. I know every front stuffer likes a different diet (bullet/powder combo). I have plenty of time to experiment so what are your suggestions?
     
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    1-48" Is made for lead balls.
     

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    So if I am limited to lead balls what should I go for? What I mean is...is the caliber of my rifle .540? Should I just by .540 caliber and load it just lead ball on top of powder or should I get an undersized ball and use a cloth patch? Also I have seen these button things that are supposed to go before the projectile but after the powder and they are pre-lubed.

    Which should I go with or is this something that I am gonna have to experiment with?
     
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    You will probably have to experiment. I have never shot lead balls before but, I thought that you always use a lubed patch with them.

    Here is an excrpt from Speer's website.

    http://www.speer-bullets.com/default.asp?s1=6&s2=10

    "Lead round balls fired through smooth bores were the military standard for years. However, researchers found that cutting spiral grooves in the barrel's interior could make the round ball more accurate. The grooves induced spin stabilization. To insure engagement with the grooves, the ball was wrapped with a round cloth disk for a tight fit. This disk, called a patch, was the first bullet jacket. The patch fell away when the bullet left the barrel, but fulfilled its mission of spinning the ball. As late as the 20th Century, some references still referred to metal jackets as patches (as in full-patch bullet).

    The spiral pattern of grooves cut into the barrel's interior is called rifling, and gave its name to a new class of firearms. Smooth-bore, shoulder-fired arms are technically muskets; shoulder arms having rifled barrels are called rifles.

    During the American Revolutionary War, the true rifle with a patched round ball changed the nature of combat. Prior to that, military theory taught that one mass of musket-armed soldiers (called a "square') would stand together and volley-fire into another mass of similarly-armed soldiers. Any hits were more likely due to the volume of fire and dumb luck than skill on the part of any individual shooter.

    American sharpshooters armed with accurate rifles, usually custom-built by New England gunsmiths, established the rifle as a tool for single combat. One soldier could select and neutralize one target. This technique was often used to disrupt the enemy "command and control" structure; the sharpshooter would target British officers, often easy to spot in their resplendent uniforms."
     
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    So I have done a little snooping and there are several companies that make conicals for the .54 caliber. Does anybody think it is worth trying these? One of the companies I looked into was the one "suckersrus" posted.

    http://www.prbullet.com/index.htm
     
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    Just because it is a .54 caliber bullet does not neccessarily mean that it will work well in your rifle. I found some info that suggests that your rifle will work with round balls or SHORT conical bullets. A long bullets will probably not stabilize.

    "Usually rifle barrels with a;
    1 turn in 66" rifling will do best with round ball,
    1 turn in 48" round ball, ball-ets, short conical bullet and saboted pistol bullet,
    1 turn in 28" conical bullet and saboted bullet."
     
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    So a short conical bullet will be a lighter weight bullet I assume. I am only planning on using this on whitetail deer and I don't feel that anything over 300 grains will be necessary. Am I getting this right?
     
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    stock glock I know this is not what you want to hear but grabs some balls and conicals and sabot/bullets and go out and give them a try.

    A 54cal like any larger are greater with laead balls and due to the fact that the balls don't shoot as accurate most shots are limited. Also keep in mind due to the bad ballistics on Lead balls vrs conicals and sabot/bullet you need alot of weight ( hence bigger caliber to do the job of a smaller caliber bullet.


    edit to say : fwiw: A 54caliber soft-lead ball is very lethal on deer ad if you can hit one at 100yards it would be mortal hit if the vitals zone is hit.

    edit: unlike the others posters before 1n48 is okay for conicals a GP bullet would be the best thing going for you and 100yards would a walk in the park and most deer will not live very long after being punched thru and thru with a GP bullet from a .54cal
     
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    A greatplains conical bullet one of the best conicals out on the market and for a .54cal.

    Do a google search.
     
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    Ahhhh muzzleloaders--my favorite! Although I am a side-lock guy myself. My current front stuffer is a T/C .54 Caliber Renegade with a 1/70" Green Mountain Barrel. I cant hit 2 liter pop bottles at 90 yards from a kneeling posistion with a patched round ball and 80-90 grains of 2F Blackpowder. I lube my patches with crisco. If you want to shoot round balls you want to get some that are .530" and grab a few bags of .54 cal patches of assorted thickness. You can also use .535" round balls but they are harder to load although the might give better accuracy. In a hunting situation i would opt for the .530" balls, they are easier to load and might give a quicker follow-up shot.

    +1 on the fact that your twist will work with conicals. I also have a Traditions .50 Hawken with the 1/48" twist. I got the best accuracy with the above metioned Hornady Great Plains Bullets. I cant remember the charge.Saboted pistol bullets worked well also as did round balls.

    Grab a few different projectiles and hit the range and it wouldnt hurt to try the over powder wads that you mentioned.Try a few shots with them, swab your barrel and try a few without to get a feel for what your gun likes. Also besides 2F Blackpowder you can try 3F Blackpowder, but you must reduce your powder charges by 15% as the finer granulation generates a higher pressure.

    Unless your barrel is badly pitted you should be able to find a Blackpowder/projectile combo that your particular rifle likes.
     
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    One more thing- while you are at the range experimenting, any time you change somtething like projetiles, powder charges, the use of an over powder wad vs. not using it, swab out your barrel that way you get a true representation of a powder/prjectile combo's potential that is unaffected by blackpowder fouling.

    wonk wonk wonk:shocked:

    enjoy your front-stuffer

    Scott.
     
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    ditto on mzl'er forum I 've been a member for the last 2 years now.