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Motorcyclists in Maricopa County, AZ, soon to be able to lane split

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by fnfalman, Mar 4, 2010.

  1. fnfalman

    fnfalman Chicks Dig It

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    HB2475 passed the legislature and if the Governor were to sign off on it, it will come into effect 31 DEC 10 for a trial period of 1-year. After that, they'll see if it's worth permanent implementation.

    http://www.azleg.gov/DocumentsForBill.asp?Bill_Number=HB2475

    It's more stringent than California's standard but better than nothing. If and when HB2475 to be in effect, motorcyclists can split lane on both highway and streets when traffic comes to a halt.
     
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    Why? Can't they wait in traffic like everyone else?
     

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    Seems kind of weird to have a traffic law like that only for one county. Hope they mark the county line nice and clearly, so folks can know when to/when not to do it and/or expect it!
     
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    like the po-po is going to catch a motorcyclist in gridlock traffic anyway.........
     
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    As a motorcycle rider myself, it's stupid and dangerous. Be patient and stay alive.
     
  6. fnfalman

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    Why should they if there's room to move about?

    The law read that for a county of 2-million people or more. It didn't say which county but with that population stipulation, it defaulted to Maricopa County which encompasses the greater Phoenix Area, and that's where the big traffic jams happen with Tucson a close second.
     
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    Tens of thousands of Californian riders split lanes every day. We don't die by the droves. If you like to sit and crawl with traffic, that's your choice. The law doesn't make you split lane, it allows you the opportunity to legally do it.
     
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    I've been stuck in SF Bay Bridge approach traffic when motorcyclers zipped by 2 feet away.

    It's startling to someone like me from out of state who isn't used to it, but I guess it is their necks on the line, not mine.

    Do you have many incidents of people opening a door at just the wrong time?

    :faint:
     
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    because of drivers that ignore motorcycles...I have had to "lane split" and break the law to not get crushed.

    so while I obew the law here and sit and wait..I can understand it in a big city.
     
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    Why would they want to open doors while sitting in traffic?:dunno:

    And if they were to open the door, what do you think is going to happen if a motorcyle weighting anywhere between 300 to 1000lbs crash into it? It ain't gonna be pretty for both the driver and rider.
     
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    Doesn't the CA law require speeds under 35MPH. Not stupid or dangerous. Breathing exhaust fumes on the hand...
     
  12. DaGroaner

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    When I moved from Commiefornia to Washington State I was surprised that lane-splitting is not allowed here. It certainly takes some of the fun out of riding. I wish they would at least allow it at red lights.
     
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    Actually, there are NO laws in California forbidding lane sharing. It's not legal and it's not illegal. There are some statues that said two vehicles (not specific which kind of vehicle) can share a lane if there are enough room for them.

    All the other states have statues that specifically forbid lane sharing. In Arizona, if this bill were to be signed off on, then the statues forbidding lane sharing will be struck from the book for the period of one year.
     
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    California law does not address any speed when lane-sharing. The basic speed law - speed reasonable for conditions - is what applies. Personally, when I am splitting, I keep my speed to approximately no more than 10 MPH above the rest of traffic, and don't do it all when traffic is moving over 15-20 MPH. At one point, I had started going faster. One afternoon, I came up behind another Gold Wing that was splitting noticeably slower than me. I crept a bit close, and after a few yards, he moved over and waved me by, and resumed splitting behind me at the slower pace. As I passed, I realized he was an off-duty, highly experienced, motor officer (the senior-most motor officer in the county from any agency). I decided that with his experience, training and skill, if he was going slower, I needed to slow down as well.

    Lane-sharing has its risks, but they can be safely managed by a competent rider with good judgement, heads-up riding and a good attitude. It also depends on local conditions. On the major freeway in my county, the lanes are fairly wide, and very few drivers hug the lane divider line. Drivers, especially during commute hours, are used to a pretty fair number of bikes going up the middle, and make allowances for it.

    I once asked a CHP motor officer - 25 years with CHP, 10-15 on motors - if he had ever been to a lane-sharing collision. He had not, and was not aware of any having happened around here. In all my time riding and working as a LEO, I have never seen one or been to one, either.

    Riders from other states often have an adverse reaction to riding up the middle because it is far out of their paradigm. In California, though, it has always been part of riding; for drivers, it is something they have grown up with as well.
     
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    Splitting lanes is a norm here. :wavey: Thats the advantage of having a motorcycle when there is tons of traffic.
     
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    As far as "riders should have to wait in line just like everyone else", what is wrong with someone who has the ability to move to the front? It's not a personal affront to drivers in cars (or shouldn't be, if their egos are intact and don't get bruised easily) and not a challenge. It just is - that's all there is to it.

    Most bikes on the road are air-cooled, and there is a benefit to keeping the bike moving so cooling air continues to flow over the engine. Sit too long and the engine will overheat.

    It also saves space on the road. Bikes that lanesplit are not taking up positions in the lanes; their space is across the roadway, rather than in the travel direction. The same principal applies to parking spaces. Two or three bikes fit in one parking space, and a bike can fit in the triangle at the end of a row of angled spaces. That leaves more room for cars.
     
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    Split Lane riding has it's risks, but so does sitting in traffic on a bike hoping not to get rear-ended by some cager texting away while driving their car. It's very common over here in Spain, and sometimes I think it's just a coat of paint that seperates the bikes from easy passage to certain death at time.:wow: Takes some getting used to, but nromally, if the traffic is bad here (almost always) the cars tend to open up a little to make another 1/2 lane for the bikes and scooters to slip on through.

    Luckily, 99% of my bike riding back home in Maine is done on roads where if you even see another car for several miles, is considered "heavy traffic'.:supergrin:
     
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    Or the last minute swerve to avoid some debris in the road?
     
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    Here in NC, if something is not expressly designated illegal, it is legal.
     
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    I do have a big problem with stupid drivers. It blows my mind lane splitting is legal in california, but heaven forbid if your gun holds more than 10 rounds. Really I wish more people would ride motorcycles, it would lessen our dependence on oil(my motorcycle gets 55-60 mpg in summer) and I ride year round barring ice. Even many countries in Europe allow it, but it is very difficult to get a drivers license over there, much less a motorcycle endorsement. My friends from university got no end of amusement at how easy it is to get a drivers license over here, till I remind them what kind of drivers are out there sharing the road with them

    I have even had international students tell me they failed many times where ever they are from, and passed spot on here, even with the language diffs,though Americans are far behind the rest of the world regarding multilingualism, though that is as much due to geography as anything else. These are the international students we read about in accidents.

    Ride safe, and watch out, motorcycles are everywhere :wave::motorcycle:
     
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