Most Modern Powder for .45?

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  1. kshutt

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    You guys already know how a lot of us older guys are. If we've used powders like W231, HP-38, and Unique for the last 30 years, why switch?

    Well, I want some input on powders other than the ones I listed that you're currently using and why. Other newer powders may be cleaner, more efficient, etc. The .45 round is pretty old, but that doesn't mean my powder choices have to be! :supergrin:

    Thanks, and be blessed!
     
  2. Murphy's Law

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    One one powder comes to mind and which I use quite a bit for 40 & 45 is Titegroup. Very fast burning and takes very little to launch the bullet. Believe it or not, I have started using it my 28ga shotgun for skeet. Very versatile powder and clean burning as well. :cool:
     

  3. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    kshutt:

    For 45 years I thought the only powder needed for mid-range .45's was Unique... worked well and saw no reason to change.

    Last year I discovered that finding any of it was next to impossible so I looked for an alternative. Fred and several others suggested giving Power Pistol a try... one of the few powders I was able to find locally.

    It's a kick in the butt... makes you smile like a little kid when you shoot it. Probably not and better than Unique or many others but provides a more robust muzzle flash and report. Just plain fun to shoot.

    Don't know if it's cleaner than the new Unique, just got in 8 pounds of that but haven't tried it yet, but the Power Pistol certainly isn't what I'd call dirty. Meters well through my Dillon and Hornady measures... actually better than Unique.

    I'm not at home right now so this is from memory but it seems to me that I'm loading 6.7 grains under a Lyman 225 grain RN. I normally shoot that load out of a G30 but it's great fun to run 'em through a lightweight Star PD.

    If you have a buddy that loads Power Pistol borrow a few ounces, you just might have a lot of fun. (Double check the load I listed in a Lyman manual... I may be off on that.)

    Jack
     
  4. kshutt

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    Jack,

    I'll just take your word for it. I like the 230 grn. bullets in either Berry's, Rainier or just bought 2,000 Zero 230 FMJ. What would your load data be for my favorite projectiles? :cool: When you get a chance, Jack, just let me know.
     
  5. fredj338

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    TG is all the rage around the IDPA for the 45acp. Not for me though, the volumn of powder is just too small in the larger 45acp case. Give WST a try for light to std. vel. loads. Burns cooler then TG, 11.5x the volumn for the same charge & recoil is very soft for equiv. vel. w/ other powders. On top of that, accuracy is better than I can get w/ anything else. For std. to +P loads, WSF is almost identical to Unique w/ better metering & a bit cleaner burning.
     
  6. Boxerglocker

    Boxerglocker Jacks #1 Fan

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    I'll be the first to admit that though TG is indeed also IMO a very versitile powder. Meters well, consitent in all aspect, not temp or position sensitive. I use it primarily for all my 9mm IDPA/USPSA loads and have used it for .40, .380 and .45 ACP
    It has it's limits, one of which is you don't wanna push it to max velocities for what ever caliber you use as it is very fast and secondly you wanna make sure your very careful with it as it's a low volume powder (easily can double charge without noticing it) Lastly as far as clean burning it notorious for leaving the infamous TG stains on brass and would be far from what I would consider a clean burning powder.

    Fred's going to be so proud of me for saying this? :supergrin:
     
  7. BuckyP

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    Clays or VV N320.
     
  8. creophus

    creophus Born Again

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    I use Bullseye for ALL my 45acp loads now. I've used Titegroup and it works just as Murphy has said.

    AutoComp is probably the latest powder to be released that can be used in 45acp. Never tried it, but if you want modern that's probably it.

    Kshutt, if what you have has been working no need to change as long as you can still find the powder.
     
  9. GioaJack

    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    kshutt:

    Listen to Fred and Boxer before me... they know a lot more about what I refer to as 'the modern powders' than I do. (Although I may know a bit more about black powder. :supergrin:)

    I'm down in freezing Ft. Worth right now and not near my benches but I remembered that I had a couple boxes of .45's in the truck... I always carry them to shoot snakes on my buddy's ranch. I just braved the bitter Texas wind and cold and ran out to check the load... they're 6.5 grains of Power Pistol, not 6.7 like I mentioned earlier although 6.7 isn't anywhere near max.

    I simply like the powder 'cause it's fun to shoot. I don't shoot NRA targets anymore so I've never tested it for accuracy but it perform more than adequately to knock over 8 inch steel targets at 60 yards and functions flawlessly in all my .45's.

    I imagine there are several powders that are better for the application and when I finish off the last few pounds of this I'll use up the 8 pounds of Unique that PV finally shipped me and then try to go through the 18 or so pounds of Clays I've got sitting around.

    You have to remember, my needs are a little different than others, since I have no life what-so-ever I look for anything that gets my blood flowing... the louder noise and bigger flash of Power Pistol helps accomplish that at a fraction of the cost of Viagra.

    What ever you use have fun and be careful.

    Jack
     
  10. ilgunguygt

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    Power Pistol rocks for full power jacketed 45acp. I like bullseye and AA#2 for target loads also.
     
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    It's becoming my mission in life; turn new reloaders away from the dark side.:rofl: The scortching on the brass is fromn the heat. TG ignition temps are among the hottest of all the powders. I think that is how they achieve their lack of position sensativity. FWIW, I see little versatility in the powder; narrow load range, really only good for lighter target loads. Anything pushing std. factory vel. pushes TG very hard. There are at least 10 powders that will do very sim duty. I think most guys like TG because of the tiny powder charges. Yet WST, for example, uses approx. 0.1gr more powder for the same vel.:dunno:
     
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  12. TonyT

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    Bullseye, W-231 and Unique are about the most universal powders for pistol reloads. I still use quite a bit of Bullseye and W-231 but have switched to Trail Boss for lead bullet loads in the old straight walled cases. I also use WST and American Select in several calibers.
     
  13. MoNsTeR

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    For anything except full-/super-power loads in .45, N310 is the best bar none.
     
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    For pure accuracy and the lowest SD/ES figures, VV N310. It's got pretty good load density, meters very well, and burns cool (single base powder) in case you want to shoot plain lead bullets.

    Titegroup would be my second choice. Even with low load density, it still gives great accuracy, low SD/ES, and meters like water.
     
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    I like Clays for put-put loads and AA#5 when I want to go fast. Power Pistol when I want to go fast and don't care about the flash.

    I've recently put some time into Longshot, AutoComp and Silhouette. Silhouette (identical to WAP) is my favorite.

    The ObamaScare forced me to try new powders and primers.
     
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    Red Dot! Burns cleaner than Bullseye, anywhere from 4.6-5.1 grains behind a 200 LSWC gives me very accurate rounds. Recoil is easily managable, it gives a short, sharp pulse of a recoil. I've found it to be versatile. I have used it with great success in 9mm, .357, and .44 magnum as well. Most of these are low power target loads that you can shoot all day long. It is not a maximum velocity powder in the .357 or .44 mag.

    It's also cheap, <$20/lb at Bass Pro.
     
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    N-310 and Clays are great for light target loads with 230gr bullets.

    For medium loads with 200gr bullets, I use N-320, Winchester Super Target, American Select, or Solo 100. I'm using quite a bit of American Select these days and find it is about the same burning speed as Titegroup, but is much better with lead bullets (2% nitroglycerine in American Select vs. 35+% in Titegroup), and burns very clean.

    That said, if money and availability were of no concern, I'd use Vithavouri powder in just about every handgun caliber.

    Chris
     
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    I like AA #5 because it meters well and gives good velocities with 230 gr. bullets.

    Looks like I'll have to try N310 if I can find some.
     
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    It does meter better than Unique but i find the new Unique isnt that dirty, no dirtier than anything else. The Unique i used 10+ years ago was indeed dirty. Power pistol is pretty good but i still like Unique, 231 and Universal clays the best.
     
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    off the top of my head if i were looking to load 45acp depending on the application i'd look at titegroup, WST, power pistol, and maybe HS-6. right now my two loads use WST or power pistol.