More proof anti harassment order dont work

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  1. MARKDANIEL

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    http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100227/ap_on_re_us/us_tacoma_school_shooting


    TACOMA, Wash. – The stalking began with bursts of phone calls — 10 or 15 in a day, about once a year, from an old college acquaintance. Then, flowers and unwanted visits, an anti-harassment order, an arrest — and bail.

    Jennifer Paulson, a 30-year-old special education teacher at a Tacoma elementary school, knew she was in danger this week when her alleged stalker was released from the Pierce County Jail, three days after she had him arrested. She started staying away from her home in an attempt to avoid him.

    It didn't work. When she showed up for work Friday morning, he was already there — and had been waiting for hours, according to reports neighbors gave police. Paulson was shot more than once as she walked into the school. Her body lay near the base of a large evergreen tree with blood seeping from her mouth.

    A Pierce County sheriff's deputy tracked down the suspected killer, Jed R. Waits, 30, of Ellensburg, outside a daycare about 10 miles away and killed him in a shootout.

    "She was a very kind, merciful, loving person," her father, Ken Paulson, said. "That's probably why she was a special education teacher — because she loved so much."

    He described his daughter as a devout Christian, and said she had been pestered by Waits for years. The two had known each other since she was in college, when they worked together at a cafeteria at Seattle Pacific University.

    In her petition for the anti-harassment order filed in Pierce County District Court in September 2008, Paulson said she and Waits occasionally socialized with co-workers and friends outside of work as a group but "never had any sort of romantic involvement."

    After graduating, she heard from him only about once a year, when he would suddenly call her 10 or 15 times in a single day, she wrote. She would wait a few days to call him back, and then always left a message.

    In spring 2008, though, his obsession seemed to intensify. She said he repeatedly showed up at her school, once walking inside past the office, where he was stopped by a secretary.

    "I am shocked and tell him he must go," Paulson wrote. "I never told him where I work and do not know how he found out."

    A month later, she said he sent flowers and a bear to her school. Paulson's principal called Waits' commander in the National Guard to inform him of the harassment, she wrote.

    In September that year, he showed up again, parking his car outside the school and watching her — an incident that finally drove her to obtain an anti-harassment order requiring him not to contact her and to keep 1,000 feet from her school and residence.

    Keith Kosik, a spokesman for the Guard, said Waits was repeatedly disciplined during his tenure with the service and was less-than-honorably discharged in April 2009. He deployed to Kuwait with his unit in 2007.

    Waits left Paulson alone for more than a year after she obtained the anti-harassment order, her father said. But a week ago, she noticed him following her as she was driving home from work. She called 911, and a dispatcher told her to drive to a police station.

    Waits was arrested that night, but posted bail on Monday. Ken Paulson said his daughter stopped staying at home when she learned of his release.

    Tacoma Police spokesman Mark Fulghum said there had been no indication that Waits had a weapon or had threatened Paulson with a weapon, but it appeared he had a serious infatuation. It's not clear where he got the gun.

    The shooting happened at Birney Elementary, which has about 400 students in kindergarten through fifth grade. Classes were canceled for the day, and officials had not made a decision about Monday's classes.

    Omar Moreno, 22, who lives across the street from the school, said he heard three gunshots.

    "I heard a teacher screaming at the top of her lungs — just screaming," he said. "I looked out my window and I saw the guy. He started running down the middle of the street and got in his car."

    Moreno said the man, wearing a white snow cap and white gloves, drove off in a tan car. Soon after, Moreno said, a custodian barreled out of the school screaming for someone to call the police.

    A deputy pulled over the suspect's car in the parking lot of a daycare, and he came out firing a handgun, Troyer said. The deputy returned fire and killed the man.

    School district spokesman Dan Voelpel said Paulson worked in the language resource center helping students one-on-one with reading problems. She had been with the district since 2004 and at the school since 2007.

    Paulson's death "knocked everyone flat," Voelpel said. "It's going to hit this community hard."

    The shooting occurred three days after a 32-year-old man with a history of mental illness opened fire in a middle school parking lot in Colorado, wounding two students.

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    Associated Press Writer Donna Blankinship in Seattle contributed to this report.

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  2. tbhracing

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    Wow.

    Guys- If a woman doesnt want to be with you, move on. No means no. Now two people are dead because of some crazed idiot.
     

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    I feel sorrow and sadness for her and her family.

    Just another reminder that a piece of paper and a ruling from a judge won't protect anyone. Though I believe the detractors will be more inclined to "blame" the gun he used rather than acknowledge this. Conveniently forgetting that he could have killed her in just about any way with anything.

    While it is certainly no guaranty, learning to protect one's self and being aware of one's surroundings at all times will surely stack the odds in one's favor.
     
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    Paper will not stop a bullet.
     
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    You think people on this website would do something like this to a woman?
     
  7. ray9898

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    Protective orders are very effective because the overwhelming majority of people living in society fear the consequences of getting caught violating the order.

    However, just like everything else in life, nothing works 100%. Even with the failures, (which are always news worthy) it is the proper step for someone to take. The problems come when you deal with a person who does not have the rational fear of punishment and has graduated to the level of committing murder. Nothing will stop that person.
     
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    All those orders do is tick people off. Gun training and carry works better. That is a sad story.
     
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    Anythings possible.Do you know everybody on this forum?
     
  10. the iceman

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    They can be effective except in the cases where the violater has already chosen to kill/die. Then the piece of paper is useless.
     
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    After some of the stuff I've read here?

    No bet my friend.
     
  12. ExxoticOne

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    It would be dangerous to assume that everyone on the Internet is "safe".
     
  13. tbhracing

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    I was not going in that direction.

    But since you did. I see a lot of men on GT asking about their current or ex girlfriends on here that come off very desperate and clingy. These guys have no game with women and wont let go of a security blanket in fear of some alone time. These are the guys that are scary and could border "Stalkerish" like characteristics.

    Believe me or not, its a pretty spot on assessment.
     
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    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

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    Can't argue with that!
     
  15. ray9898

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    Exactly my point....nothing is 100%. There is no reason to deem something as worthless when it is effective the vast majority of the time.
     
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