Moon clips

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  1. motorcyclist

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    Anybody have experience with moon clips and revolvers? A friend has a S&W in .45acp with moon clips (that he never shoots, so he's usless to ask) and it seems like a nice idea. S&W has out the pro series 642 and 442 with no lock and cut for moon clips. Kicking around the idea of one as a pocket gun. Are the clips expensive? hard to get? load?
     
  2. Jim Watson

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    The .45 ACP revolver loaded with clips is a great gun.

    I fail to see the point of making a pocket pistol to handle clipped .38s.
    The long skinny revolver rounds do not load as easily as short stubby ACPs.
    The odd clips are expensive.
    They are rather thin and delicate, I would not want to carry a reload loose in my other pocket.
    You will be limited on ammo, not all brands have a wide enough relief cut in front of the rim for the clip to snap into. I don't remember which is which, my clip conversion .38s are long gone.

    Might be worth getting the gun just to avoid the lock, though.
    If the cylinders are machined properly you won't have to use the clips if you don't like them.
     
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    I have a 625JM. I use moon clips, half-moon clips, and have even loaded up some .45 auto rims.

    These are great guns. Get one!
     
  5. Quiet

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    Moonclips are great.
    I use them in my S&W Model 325PD to shoot .45ACP and .45GAP.
    Reloading with .45GAP seems faster than with .45ACP, probably due to the shorter OAL of the .45GAP.
     
  6. ede

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    i have a pair of 45 acp revolvers, a .40 and .357 mag and also had a 10mm that takes or took moon clips. the two .45s, 10mm, and .40 running low priced clips were no problem. for the .8 shot 357 you need better and more expensive clips for a smooth and problem free reload. the clips are somewaht easy to damage and not sure i'd want to carry a couple loaded in my pocket for a reload on a SD gun. there's a few different tools made for mooning (loading) and demooning (unloading) that make the job easier. you can also find several DIY tools to do the same thing.
     
  7. motorcyclist

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    Jim Watson- Could you elaberate please. I don't understand how a moon clip grabs a straight sided case like .38spcl. Are some cartidges cut for it? Do I have to buy special cartridges? My stock of 38spcl has none with a groove cut above the rim. It would be nice if I had the choice of moon clips or not. Not cheap, but I would imagine S&W could swap out the cylinder if I hated it.
     
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    I stand corrected. I put my glasses on and yes, most of my 38spcl rounds have a grove cut above the rim! I have some Fiocchi that does not. Cool!
     
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    but can be a pain, and as someone said, not all are created equal re quality. The old , and I mean old Smith 25s in 45 ACP could be used w/o clips, but you would have to use something to poke the shells out with. I worked at a gun shop in the 80s-90s and the 610 revolver came out and you had to use the clips, Smith had quit cutting a chamber in each cylinder to save money, and they have done so ever since. The clips can be a pain, and one of the tools would be a great time saver. Used to have a 1917 revolver and I had put nails in a piece of wood with a hole drilled in the center to punch the shells out so I wouldn't have to use the clips,(not optimal) was looking into getting a bunch of auto rim brass and then just sold it.:crazy: I have not used any of the moon/de moon tools , I only have a 627 that takes the clips and it works w/out them fine, and just have a few full moon clips. They do offer a lightning fast reload though, and the S&W made ones seem sturdy enough to carry in a coat pocket for s/d use, but I rarely carry that revolver. For the snubbies you mentioned, I would bet that you can use it w/o the clips, as that is the way my 627 is, and it is a pro shop gun.:wavey:
     
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    I don't see much benefit on clipping rimmed cases, but they are nice for the auto rounds and they work great in my 325PD.
     
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    faster to reload and easier to find your brass, just like the auto cartridges.
     
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    I hear ya, but you also get the pleasure of having to de-moon all the rounds you'd otherwise drop in your hand. Also, most rimmed revolver rounds are a bit longer than auto rounds, meaning the advantages of speedy reloads might still be there, but not like a 625...were talking about J frames here.
    It's not that hard to find your brass, shooting a revolver.
    I've tried the 940 in 9mm before. It's cool at first, but they bind up sometimes with the clips...everything's smaller and less forgiving than with an N frame.
    I guess it's great as long as you can still go without the clips (like the TK customs), but with a J frame and day to day carry and use, I really don't think it's that big of a deal.
     
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    I'm with Berto.

    I love moon clips for automatic cartridges. For rimmed rounds they are not as good. A buddy sold his 627PC once he realized it didn't reload that smoothly with moon clips. The longer cartridges have way too much wobble to find the holes easily. On J-frames the ejector isn't long enough to punch the empties out cleanly so the clip can get hung up. If you like the gun and the use of moon clips is an afterthought, go ahead and get it. You can use it just fine without.
     
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    I agree with Berto and Ronin. Have a 625 and it is one of my favorite guns but I have never seen a moon I'd be comfortable with running around in my pocket all day.
     
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    I love moonies. I'm thinking of converting my 686P to taking moonies too.
     
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    I have a M25-2 that will shoot with or without the moonclips. It is by far the most accurate centerfire handgun I own...better than either my G20 or my M610. I usually shoot it with the clips though. The 610 is a clip-only pistol, and so is my M646 (.40-cal. L-frame). Also have a M1917 that I use moonclips in.

    Is it too obvious that I like S&W revolvers? :supergrin:
     
  18. Berto

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    I should buy stock in S@W.:rofl:
     
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    I think many of us are big Smith fans. I know Berto has picked up a few nice ones recently.

    I now have seven. All moon clip guns! :cool:
     
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    Brownell's makes a de-moon tool that looks like a fat screwdriver and the cases fall into the hollow shaft for easy retrieval. They also make a cheaper version that is not much more than a stamped piece of sheet steel and is very inexpensive. Both work very well.

    I owned a S&W M1917 and a M25-2 once upon a time and both were great guns. Auto-Rim cases were a pain to find/buy and then keep separate while reloading, so I gave up on them and used half moon clips.

    I do wish that S&W would reintroduce the 9mm revolver again. I would buy one immediately.