Mixing generations to make an OEM 19L

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  1. Smitty908

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    Pardon my ignorance guys, and I searched a bunch, and read through a bunch of similar threads, just want to make sure I gleaned the correct information...

    I want to make a “19L” using as much OEM equipment as possible..

    Am I correct that I could mate a Gen 4 17 slide and a Gen 5 17 barrel onto my Gen 4 19 frame?

    (Using the Lone Wolf adapter to cover the spring in front of the dust over)

    thanks for any insight you can offer..
     
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    Yes, on paper that’ll work.
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    Doesn't Glock make a G17 slide with G19 grip? Or is it the other way around?
     
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    Other way around, G45 and G19X. Full size grips with compact slide.
     
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    I dunno why everyone cringes in saying that. Have you tried one? The easiest way is a grip chop and everything is OEM. Measure 2X cut once. I had 2 G19s and lots of mags. The agency allowed G17 carry over P229 they issued so I bought a G17.4 and did a chop job for a G19L (yes I know, grip angle is not the same) Now in my current job driving, I bought a G19.5 and did a chop job for a G26L. That is my favorite Glock. Shame I can't get it that way from factory.
     
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  8. Willard

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    Ditto! I have a G19.3 that I chopped to a G26 grip size. It's awesome! Stripped Glock frames are inexpensive. Buy one, chop it, fill it with Glock parts. This way, you can have a 100% Glock, AND preserve your full-sized frame that has matching numbers with your slide.

    Also, Polymer80 makes conversion frames: G19 slide onto their frame with G26 size grip; or a full-sized slide (G17, G34, G17L) onto their G19 size grip.
     
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    The SAFEST way to do it (reliability wise) is to chop the frame on a G17 to the height of a G19. I have done a few of them now, played it safe first and did it with a used Gen 3 G17 and it turned out great, I love it, probably one of my most favorite Glocks of the many I have owned over the years (over twenty of them at this point).

    I also luckily already also had a G19 to measure off to make sure I got it right, but it was not that difficult to do. The biggest secret is do NOT cut too much (you can always CUT more), get it close, and then slowly sand the frame down to where you want it.

    Here's my 17 and 19 so you can see where I started from -

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    Here's how much was actually taken off and then sanded down the rest of the way -

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    This is the final product, it's a little hard to tell from this photo w/o a regular G19 sitting next to it to really see it. It's also roughly the same slide to grip ratio size now to a 1911 when you look at it too. Feels good in the hand too also to me, the longer upper and shorter grip - feels better than either my G34 or G35 did either.

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    Here's the two frames side by side afterward -

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    Final product with a G17 mag in it to give you a better idea of how much (actually how little) was taken off -

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    Again, I REALLY have enjoyed shooting this chopped G17 to a "19L" and on top of that it is ALL factory, so NO worries of unreliability.


    Final gun again, "19L" -

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    19L barrel from Lone Wolf and G17 slide will work on both the G19 and the G26. Just one of many options with almost no work or fitting required. Fill the cover gap as you deem necessary.
     
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    I actually tried this with a G19 frame cut to a G26's height (a "G26L" if you will), but I found while it carries nicely (kind of like a "round butt" revolver like on an old K frame), I did NOT like shooting it as much as I do my "19L". :(

    There does not seem to be enough area to really get enough fingers on there and it's awkward with your pinky wrapped under the mag (like when you hold either a G26 or G30). Adding a mag extension grip like those from Pearce Grip or others helps, but now you're right back to the grip height of a G19. :(

    All in all it DID work and is 100% reliable (as it is ALL original Glock factory parts), but it just did not feel as "right" as my G19L project with my old G17 did, and I do not care for it as much. It was more just a good experiment than anything else.


    The concept (my G19 upper on my G26 frame) -

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    Here' how much we actually took off the G19 frame (this one is harder to cut due to the mag relief vs. the pretty much straight shot on the G17 frame to get it to a G19's height :( ) -

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    The final product - you can see this one did not come out as well as my "G19L" did, but you get the idea. Again, getting that relief cut right is a ***** the first time around. :( Works PERFECTLY though -

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    You can see how you have to wrap your pink under it just like a regular G26 -

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    This is my "G26L" with my regular G26. I normally use the "Gee Plate" (https://www.geeplate.com/shop/glock-26-27-33-39/) mag plate extensions with my regular G26 as you can see here. Again, I feel they work great with the regular, shorter G26, but the added weight of the longer G19 upper throws it off without enough grip on it now, and tucking the pinky under it does makes it feel weird. -

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    Again, the alternative would be to put one of the Pearce Grip or other grip extenders on it ( https://www.pearcegrip.com/Products/GLOCK/PG-2733 ) but again at that point you're basically back to the same grip height of a regular G19, so it somewhat defeats the whole purpose, unless again you're after the "round butt" design for comfort of carry.

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    Again, nice idea, but again I just personally I was just not as satisfied with my "G26L" as I have been my "G19L". I'd rather just carry my regular G19 b/c it's easier to shoot as is with it's full grip than my "G26L", but you may either find or feel different. The longer upper and added weight of the "G26L" may feel better to you too than the regular G26, but I find my standard G26 carries so much better and I shoot it better anyway, I carry it instead.

    "Your mileage may vary", good luck..............

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    PS - I COULD go either way opinion wise on my "G19L" (G17 chopped to a G19 frame height) vs my regular G19 though. The only reason I'd rather have the regular G19 over the "G19L") would be for comfort when sitting, as the G19 length slide is easier to sit with in a hip holster than the longer G17's upper.
     
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    WOW! I always thought a G17 frame/G19 grip is ideal SD/HD.
     
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    Eric-
    That's some might fine work there. You did an amazing job on those!
     
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    Thank you, but both are the first one's of each I did. The second and on "G19L" I have done came out much better, and again I am sure any other "G26L" I do would be better, but they are harder to get the relief cut done on rather than just cutting them straight.

    I've seen a few "G30L" done also (cutting a G21/20 down to a G30/29), but they seem even more pointless to me than the "G26L" does.

    We did also try my G34 upper on my "G19L" frame when I still had it, but it was kind of overkill, and did feel as right as the G17 upper does on the "G19L" frame, so we did not pursue it any further.
     
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    Here's some better pics of my "G19L" (my G17 I cut to a G19's frame / grip height) with my G19 to give you a better idea of how they look compared to each other -

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    Again, shoots like a dream, only down side is it IS easier to sit with the G19 in a hip holster, other than that I'd rather have the G19L. :) :) :)
     
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    I believe all the Gen5 locking blocks are the same in all sizes. You could put a G17.5 complete upper (Slide and barrel) on a G19.5 frame. Add Lone Wolf front spacer. Seems to be the easiest way to make your G19L. Someone correct me if I’m wrong!!! :flag:
     
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    Thanks for all the info guys!

    Eric, you did a great job on those mods!

    MikePapa, you are right, that would be easiest, but I already have a 19.4 that I’ve swapped trigger and disconnector on, and have holsters for. I’d like to keep the ability to swap slides, and still use my holsters.

    As to chopping a 17, I utilize the large size “beaver tail” backstrap, because I swapped to this from a G41.

    If I chop a 17, I don’t think I can use the back straps. (Correct me if I’m wrong)

    I did go ahead and order a 17.5 OEM barrel from Big Tex (on sale for $89!) and I already dropped it in and it runs fine.

    So today I ordered a 17.4 MOS slide, LW adapter, and pre-ordered the new Holosun 509T for it.

    I’ll put up pics when I get it all together.
     
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    I’m impressed! Good job.