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Discussion in 'General Firearms Forum' started by Ballisticism, Jul 8, 2012.

  1. Ballisticism

    Ballisticism Spray & Pray

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    This should be good.
    :popcorn:


    Seriously, though... I bought a new Mini-14 and took it apart to clean and lubricate everything before firing it, and there were many tiny little metallic flakes on the patches I ran through the barrel. They appeared to be steel.

    ???

    Could this be from the machining of the barrel? Could left-over flecks of steel in the barrel be the reason for reports of poor mini-14 accuracy? Has anybody else ever seen this in a new rifle?
     
  2. BenjiEDF

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    You're getting the cart ahead of the horse. Go shoot it a bunch and get back to us. Also the cliche' "pics or it does not exist" is worth stating :whistling:
     

  3. Ballisticism

    Ballisticism Spray & Pray

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    The reason I bought one is because I shot someone else's.

    So, you want pics of the patches, or the Mini-14?

    The patches are gone, and I don't have a camera. I'd buy one, but I just spent my extra money on a Mini-14, so maybe next week.
     
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  4. Fed Five Oh

    Fed Five Oh NRA Member

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    left over flecks have nothng to due with the mini-14's accuracy issue.
     
  5. ak103k

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    The left over flecks were probably just left overs of the manufacturing process. I wouldnt worry to much about it, Ive seen it in other guns. You did right cleaning the gun first.

    As far as accuracy goes, they seem to have addressed the issue with the newer Mini's. My buddy has a couple of the newer guns, and I was quite impressed when I shot them. The difference between them and the old 180/181's I've owned is pretty dramatic, and the newer guns are more in line with the AR's.
     
  6. DonD

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    The newer, heavier barreled Minis, both 14 & 30 have much better accuracy than the earlier versions.

    My Mini 30 is a 1.5 MOA gun off of the bench using Fiocchi ammo. Not a bench rest champ but certainly more than good enough for hunting. A fun and reliable gun.

    I also love how incredibly easy and quick the cleaning process is. They hardly have any fouling anywhere except on the gas piston area and that doesn't need constant cleaning. Don
     
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  7. mingaa

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  8. ArmoryDoc

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    Metal flakes from machining. It's normal. You should see what ends up floating around in your oil in a new vehicle.
     
  9. Decguns

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    I would have assumed Ruger test fired the rifle before packaging. They have to provide a fired case with new guns. So, there shouldn't be any metal flakes in the bore. Maybe copper flakes from feeding ammo, but not steel.

    I can't remember ever buying a gun that had metal flakes in the bore. They're usually test fired, cleaned and lubed before shipment. And no, Mini-14 accuracy issues stem from loose tolerances, cutting corners to make it cheap to manufacture, and Bill Ruger's poorly designed "self cleaning" gas system. Those problems were finally fixed around 2008. Now it's a decent 2 MOA rifle.
     
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  10. faawrenchbndr

    faawrenchbndr CLM

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    Borderline trolling.
     
  13. AZ Jeff

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    Since you are performing a "final design review" of the Mini-14, please elaborate on how the design of the gas system on that rifle is so inferior to other fixed-piston/moving cylinder designs, such as the AR-180, the SA80, the L85, and the recent "piston driven" AR-15 derivatives.

    I am really curious as to what your expertise tells us here.
     
  14. Powerkicker

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    Gasblocks held on with clamping pressure of a couple screws makes me nervous.
     
  15. ArmoryDoc

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    It's four screws. Never, ever have I read or heard of them failing catastrophically. Don't be a Henny Penny. ;)
     
  16. WoodenPlank

    WoodenPlank Who?

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    I think he was more thinking of the block walking loose. I have seen it happen with clamp-style blocks on an AR before.
     
  17. DonD

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    Those screws are staked to preclude their loosening. Don
     
  18. Bob Hafler

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    I don't see anything borderline about it. When the post starts out.
    This should be good.
    :popcorn:
    If the OP had a serious question about these so called little metal flakes,(which my newer 580 does not seem to have or ever had)then why not just ask the question? Why bring the AR into it at all. Nothing but pure Bovine Excrement.
     
  19. FireForged

    FireForged Millenium #3936 Millennium Member

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    this would be like talking about vw bug > porsche 911. I own both the Mini and the AR and you just cant reasonably compare the two, so I wont try.
     
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  20. brisk21

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    Im not a big fan of the mini, but I work in corrections (we use them alot!) and I'll admit that they just keep going and going and going. VERY robust, relaible, accurate guns. We have guns that are 25+ years old and they work great. They are very underrated, which makes them sell for cheap, which makes them a great choice for someone who doesn't want to shell out $900 for a good AR.