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Discussion in 'The 10 Ring' started by 10mm Universe, May 4, 2010.
Thank you so much for the heads up on this, I've been waiting for Mike to email me when they had these loads in stock and never did. I always bought ammo direct from them, but if Midway has it...I'll go there. And I'm sure shipping will be faster as DT tends to wait a bit before shipping.
I have always had good service from DT. In addition, when I started reloading for the 10mm, Mike was more than willing to help with my load development. I've used the 135g Nosler, 165g, and 180g HP rounds and all have met or exceeded the published specs thru my chrono. Just my 10mm's worth for what it's worth.
Yup, not even an XTP anymore, huh? Are you sure it's MG and not Nosler? I heard they were sending out 150 and 180 gr. Noslers these days. HP's designed for .40 velocities need to be bonded even if they are'nt a full 250-300 fps faster than .40 velocities (as advertised). I loaded some HST's @ 1275 and they stayed together pretty well. A few jackets seperated but they got big and only broke in two. They cost too much for me to pull bullets from .40 boxes any more. Wish I would have tried around 1200 - 1225.
Exactly why I am a former customer of theirs.
The 200 grain controlled expansion (which I was informed would be XTP bullets) also came in as Montana golds. I did not return them. They are still loaded fairly hot and the load proves to have good precision out of my gun, but simply put the product that arrived is not the product I agreed to purchase, and that is not good as a customer. We all know Montana gold bullets are cheaper and less effective than Hornady's XTPs or Speer's Gold dots.
They no longer stock the "200 gr. controlled expansion" load either.
I called DT today to see if they had this load in stock and they said no, not sure how Midway got them. Over a month ago, they said three weeks. Mike also said that the bullets will be Gold Dots. Well, we shall soon see...I hope.
Just got my order of 180 Grain Bonded Defense late this evening UPS from midwayusa. They ARE NOT the bonded gold dots of the past...the are indeed the Montana Gold pos or "180 Grain Controlled Expansion" bullets. What a let down... $42 for range bullets?
That really sucks! I think I'm going to give up and finally start rolling my own stuff....I have plenty of brass to start. Ugh...what a disappointment DT! (and Midway)
That's the best way. Get yourself an aftermarket barrel and start loading.
10mm Universe. Tell your friend thanks for me. I know it sucks but you posting about this has helped a bunch of us out.
When I first saw your post I was kicking myself because I had just put in an order to Midway an hour or so earlier. I have been waiting to get some DT 180 grain bonded and was pissed that I missed putting it on my order. But your update cured me of that.
I went ahead and ordered a thousand more Starline 10mm cases. I've already got a supply of 135grain Noslers, 180 grain XTPs and 180 grain Gold Dots. I've got some 180 grain Noslers coming as well.
In the end I think I'm better off hand loading self defense ammo using new brass and premium bullets than buying anything. I can trickle each charge to the exact weight and give each round the attention to detail that it should get.
Got the barrel, just need to learn about reloading and I'll be on my way!