MI School Carry. . . WV St. Police. . . MA Stun Guns. . . Gun Sniffing Dogs. . . TSA & Locks

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by Gary Slider, Aug 2, 2018.

  1. Gary Slider

    Gary Slider

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    Michigan – The Michigan Supreme Court upheld a lower court ruling on July 27, 2018 with the media and RBKAs Orgs reporting that by them upholding the previous court ruling that K-12 schools can ban firearms from their schools. Michigan Open Carry https://miopencarry.org/ who was a party in the suit is saying “hold on a minute!” You can read what Michigan Open Carry is putting out on the ruling at
    You can read the court opinion at
    For now the Courts have given Schools the right to make Policy banning the open carrying of firearms from their premises. State Law already makes Concealed Carry illegal on K-12 Property.

    West Virginia State Police – West Virginia is my home state. Been living here since I was born at the middle of the last century. That makes me OLD! Our State Police will not update their website which lists states which WV honors and who honors them. If you go to the listing at https://www.wvsp.gov/Criminal Records/Pages/Concealed-Weapon-Permit-Reciprocity.aspx you will see that they are stating the five states listed at the bottom are not honored by WV. Well they are! I have emailed them more than once and nothing gets changed. People looking at www.handgunlaw.us and then the link I did have to the WVSP Listing would email me saying Handgunlaw.us is incorrect. You could click on Contact us at the bottom of the WVSP Listing and drop them an email. If you do please be nice and just tell them their listing is out of date big time. I have found out if you make them work reading your emails and they have to read a lot of them they will fix it so they don’t have that work to do! Yes WV is permitless carry but they still honor permits and it makes a difference as WITHOUT a permit WV honors if they drive onto K-12 School property with a loaded firearm they are an instant Felon! Us with valid permits can do that. Another stupid law but that is the law until it is changed.

    Massachusetts - Part I, Title XX, Chapter 140: Section 131J

    Sections 131¾, 131K and 131P shall not apply to stun guns. The secretary of public safety and security shall promulgate regulations restricting access or use of stun guns by non-licensed persons and establishing minimum safety and quality standards, safe storage requirements, education and safety training requirements and law enforcement training on the appropriate use of stun guns, which shall require that any stun gun purchased or used by a law enforcement or public safety official include a mechanism for tracking the number of times the stun gun has been fired. (Above is the new wording for this section after the Supreme Court Ruling saying they couldn’t ban them. The link will still show the old text of the law until they updated it. Those with a valid permit to carry in Mass can carry a stun gun also but I look for Mass to put on a lot of restrictions through Administrative Rules and they will most likely even throw in the kitchen sink along with the fridge for good measure covering those who don’t have a permit to carry a concealed firearm in Mass!!!! Other states still have bans on the books and watching to see what they do with them after the SCOTUS ruling.) https://malegislature.gov/Laws/GeneralLaws/PartI/TitleXX/Chapter140/Section131J

    A couple Items worth mentioning!!!

    Stephen Wenger http://spw-duf.info/ sent me this awhile back and I believe it needs shared: Everyone knows that dogs have a great sense of smell. Most people know that they can detect drugs. Fewer people perhaps know that they are also capable, it is said, of using their noses to sniff out guns. But D.C. police reported an example of this on Tuesday. According to the police a car had failed to heed a stop sign around 5:15 p..m. on Monday in in the 1200 block of Neal Street, in the Trinidad area of Northeast [Washington]. Police stopped the car. As reported by the police, the driver turned out to have a valid license. But it happened, police [said], that one of their specially trained dogs was at the scene. The dog, according to a police account, gave a signal that indicated the presence of a gun. The police said that a gun was indeed found in the car. They said they made an arrest on a charge of carrying a pistol [without] a license.

    Transportation Security Administration (TSA) – Over the years the TSA has stated that only the Passenger checking the firearm should have a key or combination of the lock on a hard sided case when declared in checked baggage when flying. This is true but there have been many debates over the years with some stating that only TSA approved Locks could be use and others saying any lock would do. The argument has been settled as the TSA is now stating in writing the following. “You may use any brand or type of lock to secure your firearm case, including TSA-recognized locks.” You can see that on their site at https://www.tsa.gov/travel/transporting-firearms-and-ammunition

    The Michigan Info on K-12 Opinion, Link to WVSP Listing and Massachusetts Stun Gun Law Changes have already been added to their respective state pages at www.handgunlaw.us
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  2. biggen


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    I appreciate your taking the time to provide this information. Thank you.

  3. Geeorge

    Geeorge Sarcasm Inc.

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  4. blackjack


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    Everybody loses their mind over the issue of guns in schools, applying some special personal conjugation of the law to what should be common-sense and proven in practice. Simply put, it has been sadly proven too many times and with too many lives that gun-free school zones DO NOT WORK except to make an easy and tempting target for the deranged. There have been a fortunate few times where a person with a gun has been able to interdict a gun tragedy at a school. These prove the clear observation that it takes a gun to stop a gun.

    The truly sad part is the talisman-like powers applied to guns being only in the hands of law enforcement who usually only show up after the mentally-deficient shooter has wreaked havoc. Legislators enact huge hurdles to lawful carry at school and choose to continue to allow the schools to be at risk rather than be politically bold in the larger interest of school security.