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Updated: 10:00 AM Feb 4, 2010

Gun Carriers Walk into Ponderosa Steakhouse
They say they were simply exercising their rights

Posted: 5:15 PM Feb 3, 2010
Reporter: Liam Martin
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LANSING -- Quite the scene developed outside Ponderosa Steakhouse in South Lansing this past Saturday afternoon.
About seven men walked into the restaurant, packing guns -- open for all to see in holsters on their hips. A short while later, Lansing Police showed up to show the men out.

A verbal argument between the gun carriers and officers ensued, caught on camera by a bystander (the video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzPTi8heUTQ).
"The open carriers were of course not happy, because they were minding their own business, doing a lawful activity," said Tyler Hilliker, a gun rights supporter who was at Ponderosa on Saturday.

Under Michigan law, people with legally registered handguns can openly carry them in public. Some of the men who walked into Ponderosa, in fact, were members of the Michigan Open Carry. They were holding a meeting to discuss gun rights.

Only thing is, private property owners can refuse them.

"My analogy would be: If you come to my home, that's private property. I can decide who I want and my home and who not," said Teresa Szymanski, captain of the Lansing Police Department's South Precinct.

Officials from Michigan Open Carry say the owner of Ponderosa greed to let them hold a meeting at the restaurant. But he says he didn't expect the meeting to be held on a busy Saturday -- and certainly didn't expect the men to bring more than handguns.

"At first, we looked the other way on the handguns," said owner Dennis Holleran. "And then some gentleman shows up with an assault rifle, and that was just too far over the top."

That's when an assistant manager decided to call police. The open carriers say about 10 officers arrived on the scene and began harrassing them.

But LPD say no one was arrested and notes they're now working cooperatively with Open Carry to ensure this doesn't happen again.

"I think the taxpayers of Lansing want us to respond to gun calls. But at the same time, we need to be aware of individual rights."
 

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http://www.michiganopencarry.org/

The objectives of Michigan Open Carry are:


  • To educate and desensitize the public and members of the law enforcement community about the legality of the open carry of a handgun in public.
  • To exercise a natural right to self defense using the most efficient and common tool, a handgun.
  • To demonstrate to the public at large that gun owners are one of the most lawful segments of society and they have nothing to fear from the lawful carry of a firearm.
  • To protect our right to self-defense.
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Methods to accomplish objectives are:

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  • To distribute information via email, mail, telephone and in person to local law enforcement agencies.
  • To have periodic and informal gatherings in public places throughout the state while open carrying our handguns.
  • To contact the media, conduct interviews, relate pertinent information on the internet, write articles and letters to the editors all on the legality of open carry.
  • To participate in larger public events, festivals, car shows, etc., and staff an information booth about open carry.
  • To stay informed of and act against infringing legislation.
  • To always be ambassadors of good will in regards to the safe and lawful carry of a firearm.


Open carry is more than open carry
Brian G. Jeffs, 1st President, MOC, Inc.

It&#8217;s true that open carry has many advantages: a faster draw, a larger caliber handgun and greater round capacity; sure it&#8217;s been show to deter crime, and it is immensely more comfortable to carry in warm weather, but it is much more than that.

Open carry brings gun ownership out of the closet. It shows your friends and neighbors, your state and your country that you are not afraid of taking on the responsibility of protecting yourself and the ones you love from evil. Open carry is a visible expression of our natural right to self preservation. Open carry makes a statement that we are not afraid to stand up to the &#8220;politically correct&#8221; ideology that has created a nanny state, where the government is there to help us if we just do as they say, and a pox on anyone that disagrees.

Open carry can lead us out of this stupor and deliver us once again to the days when a man could stand tall and be proud of his community, his state, and his country.

When you open carry you are saying to the world, I&#8217;m my own man, I&#8217;m able and willing to defend myself, my family, and if need be my community, my state, and my country. It also states that I&#8217;m willing to stand up and speak truth to authority. It&#8217;s shameful that we as law abiding citizens must stand up to authority, the very authority that we have empowered, when questioned about our lawful right to openly carry a firearm. But stand up we must. The open carry of a firearm speaks volumes and it&#8217;s says much more than just open carry.
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Another link http://www.miopencarry.org/page.php
 

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It’s true that open carry has many advantages: a faster draw, a larger caliber handgun and greater round capacity; sure it’s been show to deter crime, and it is immensely more comfortable to carry in warm weather, but it is much more than that.
Dang, Only now does someone tell me I can't conceal a large caliber, high capacity handgun. if only they had told me thirty years ago this was the case I would not have conceal carried Fullsize 1911's, Browning Hi Power, Sig P226, S&W 4506, glock 22, or an XD9. In the hot a humid swamp of SW Florida.

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Dang, Only now does someone tell me I can't conceal a large caliber, high capacity handgun. if only they had told me thirty years ago this was the case I would not have conceal carried Fullsize 1911's, Browning Hi Power, Sig P226, S&W 4506, glock 22, or an XD9. In the hot a humid swamp of SW Florida.

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That all varies by person, and by the stakes of getting found out with a gun.

If non-LEO, and carrying in an anti-gun town in an anti-gun state, then it isn't so easy to conceal full-size.

Besides, the AK tends to print a little :rofl:
 

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I just don't know what to think about this, I didn't watch the vid but there should never be an argument over this, if asked to leave then do so. Write letters, make PH calls later but not at the time.

I think the place was OK with handguns but the assult rifle did the trick for this group, I open carry everywhere but I'm not slinging my AR15 over my shoulder and going out to eat or to the mall. In my opinion this group didn't help their cause on this day.
 

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That all varies by person, and by the stakes of getting found out with a gun.

If non-LEO, and carrying in an anti-gun town in an anti-gun state, then it isn't so easy to conceal full-size.

Besides, the AK tends to print a little :rofl:
Just paint the tip orange and you don't have to conceal.

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"At first, we looked the other way on the handguns," said owner Dennis Holleran. "And then some gentleman shows up with an assault rifle, and that was just too far over the top."



Nope, we can't expect any pushback whatsoever as a result of legal OC. Another happy ending, "Because I can". :upeyes:
 

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The open carry of a firearm speaks volumes and it’s says much more than just open carry.
Reminds me of one of my wife's favorite sayings: "John, it's not what you say that pisses me off so much....it's how you say it".

A verbal argument between the gun carriers and officers ensued, caught on camera by a bystander (the video can be viewed at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IzPTi8heUTQ).
The video has been removed from the link; but I'm guessing any argument with LE didn't help the cause much with regards to public perception.
 

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Just paint the tip orange and you don't have to conceal.

:whistling::rofl:
Search kwikrnu on youtube and he has more vids of him being detained...


for open carrying a black powder pistol IN HIS HAND
 

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Reminds me of one of my wife's favorite sayings: "John, it's not what you say that pisses me off so much....it's how you say it".
Hmmm, I see that being used in future responses. :thumbsup:
The video has been removed from the link; but I'm guessing any argument with LE didn't help the cause much with regards to public perception.
Here is another link... http://www.youtube.com/OpenCarryMI
 

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Morons. Bringing a rifle was WAY out of line. People like this are not doing any of us any good.
 

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The objectives of Michigan Open Carry are:
  • To educate and desensitize the public and members of the law enforcement community about the legality of the open carry of a handgun in public.
  • To demonstrate to the public at large that gun owners are one of the most lawful segments of society and they have nothing to fear from the lawful carry of a firearm.

Methods to accomplish objectives are:​
  • To always be ambassadors of good will in regards to the safe and lawful carry of a firearm.


 

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The assault rifle brought might not have been classified as a rifle in Michigan. If you have an AK side folder that is capable of firing in the folded position and is 30" or less is classified as a handgun in Michigan..and must be registered as such.
 

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Nope, we can't expect any pushback whatsoever as a result of legal OC. Another happy ending, "Because I can". :upeyes:
And how interesting it is that the same "because I can crowd" will have a fit when a police officer does something because they can. But will condone and support anything that an activist does "because they can"
 

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Morons. Bringing a rifle was WAY out of line. People like this are not doing any of us any good.
I support open carry for those who want to do it(Its not for me), but I agree w/ the above. That was just stupid, and they got the reaction they were looking for. Then telling the cops their jobs, etc.. Don't stand there and argue w/ the police when they are called because you're acting like a fool.

These guys are a disgrace. I hope Michigan Gun Owners are clobbering these guys.

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Morons. Bringing a rifle was WAY out of line. People like this are not doing any of us any good.

Yup, just takes one adolescent acting idiot to ruin everything...what did he 'honestly' think was going to happen by bringing an AR, what a fool.
 

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I rarely open carry and have no problem with people who do so regularly. There is a time and place for everything and a dining establishment is no place for an AK. If they want the general public to get used to the open carry thing, they had better ease them into it. Exactly how do you have dinner and still have complete control (with kids walking past your table) of an AK? Do you use it as a fork?
If i was in this restaurant with my family and this group walked in, I would monitor their activity and have no issues. Once the moron with the AK came in i would get up and leave. Reason being, I'd already be carrying and wouldn't want to be associated with nor detained along with this nutbag.
 

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Judging from the video, that AK is actually an AR. Kinda grainy video, but the reflection of the spring on the dust cover gives it away.

Most of those guys handled themselves just fine, wish the big guy could have gotten his point across without being belligerent.
 
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