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MechTech carbine answer from company

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Burn, Jan 20, 2010.

  1. Burn

    Burn Taco Hack

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    A few people were asking about mechtech conversions and the legality of going from pistol to rifle and back to pistol...I asked mechtech what their response was to the ATF narrow viewing of the T/C Case here is the Reply...

     
  2. SKYWLKR

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    Um.... can I have an ATF letter please???
     

  3. crazymoose

    crazymoose Nonentity

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    This is the commonly accepted legal standard for building an AR pistol, as well. As long as it starts life as a pistol, you can add a stock to it as long as you add a 16" barrel simultaneously, and you can also switch back. If it starts life as a rifle, it's a no-go.
     
  4. kiole

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    MY understanding as far as AR pistols were concerned was a pistol could be converted to a rifle. But..soon as you convert it to a rifle it could no longer be made back into a pistol. But with all the crazy interpretations who knows :dunno:
     
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  5. NeverMore1701

    NeverMore1701 Fear no Evil Platinum Member

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    Interesting. My plan is to build an AR pistol, and while I'm piecing it together have the paperwork going through. Then swap out the tube and add a stock when I get the stamp.
     
  6. expeditionx

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    Yes sir. I wrote to the ATF myself and they clearly define pistol to rifle as a one way street. This means the mech tech makes your handgun a rifle permanently and all of their customers become felons by swapping back to a handgun. Mech tech knows this is the case but because they have way too much money invested in this they simply are hoping no one else becomes aware. If you bought one, get your money back now before they go out of business.



    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477943
     
  7. expeditionx

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    Completely wrong sorry but no. I researched this for a year before I wrote them and many other letters from the past indicated that once it bears a buttstock its a long gun for life. Same logic applies to the AOW-once a stock goes in never again an AOW.

    http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=477943
     
  8. expeditionx

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    That is correct. There has been some ATF letters posted on AR15.com
    tht reconfirm this several times over. This not only applies to AR15 pistols but all pistols. The only exception to this whole issue are the TC arms kits no longer made for a long time.
     
  9. expeditionx

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    That is shady slimy sleazy to pull a barrack mind trick on a honest question from a customer. They will not tell you its ok to remove their product going back to OEM.
     
  10. toshbar

    toshbar Timber Baron

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    Geez guys. How is the ATF going to know whether you've installed the stock or are waiting to go down the 'one way street'?
     
  11. MO Fugga

    MO Fugga Malt Liqra® Lifetime Member

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    Wouldn't you call that sedition? I mean, to somehow get people to break federal laws? If I passed out flyers telling people to NOT pay their taxes, I would be guilty of sedition. Telling people to break NFA laws? I wonder...
     
  12. Dennis in MA

    Dennis in MA Get off my lawn

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    Based on the # of shoulder-stocked Mauser Brooms and Ingles BHP's, (not to mention cowboy sixguns with shoulder stocks) I suspect this is not a law they tend to enforce to regularly.
     
  13. expeditionx

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    TC arms is doing just that. Their customer service is advising people to
    switch back and forth on their encores and contenders.
    I got an email a while back from TC customer service advising that making a factory made Contender or Encore rifle into a pistol is legal even though the
    ATF has always said that this is illegal. Only the special kits have this legal exemption from the supreme court case judgement and TC stopped making those a long time ago. I would say that is complete sedition.
     
  14. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    No, you would not be committing sedition. :upeyes:

    The hippie socialists that openly advocated the overthrow of the legitimate government and used riots and bombings to bring such about ... that was sedition.

    And, as we all know, you marry a movie star, get elected to Congress from California or a cushy job at a Chicago university as punishment.
     
  15. MO Fugga

    MO Fugga Malt Liqra® Lifetime Member

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    Dang... thanx, guys!
     
  16. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    I suggest, and I am not a lawyer ... I have some pride and honor ... that if you simply tell someone to break a law, you are only guilty of giving bad advice.

    :wavey:
     
  17. expeditionx

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    If I started selling a glock 17 select fire conversion system to just anyone, I am sure I would catch all sorts of hell for not being responsible in advising that these can't be used on non-post dealer samples. Why does mech tech get a pass on the same behavior?
     
  18. tous

    tous GET A ROPE!

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    If you sell me something illegal and tell me it isn't illegal, you are guilty of the sale, not the advice, no?

    The 'the devil made me do it' defense has long been impotent and hopefully, shall continue to be so.

    One thing I failed to mention. The radicals of the 1960s were arrested on a myriad of charges, but not one was ever charged with sedition.

    It is interesting to note the times when true laws against sedition were enacted. We are all familiar with the Alien and Sedition Acts of 1798, but Woodrow Wilson, the most despotic and elitest President in history spearheaded the Sedition Act of 1918 and, not surprisingly, Franklin Roosevelt urged Congress to enact the Alien Registration Act (to protect the US against warring powers public influence, I assume) in 1940.

    All such acts were deemed unconsitutional.

    Consider: when groups like La Raza openly advocate not just the overthrow of the US government, but violent seizure of American land, I would call that sedition.

    Sorry, history geek in me has been poked. :poke: :supergrin:
     
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  19. Glock20 10mm

    Glock20 10mm Use Linux!

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    EXCEPT if you live in California... the rat bastad liberals have made it illegal!

    "Legal Alert: Our product is not a firearm by legal definitions. The product is for sale to California residents under limited conditions. Although the product itself is legal, as we understand things, the resulting combination with a pistol frame becomes illegal under California law. If you are a CA resident you should be aware of this and it is your responsibility to observe CA laws. At this time we know of no other States where the combination is not legal but we caution everyone to become aware of relative state and local laws. We are not attorneys and can give no meaningful advice on these matters."

    I want one... too! :upeyes:
     
  20. MO Fugga

    MO Fugga Malt Liqra® Lifetime Member

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    Piss on it... I'm squeaky clean. I'm thinking of a SBR stock and a foregrip. Even with the tax stamp, its cheaper!