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Maybe some insight on where Springfield's are "made".

Discussion in '1911 Forums' started by Quack, Feb 17, 2010.

  1. Quack

    Quack Rent this space

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    Here's an interesting read. It's an article between the Mil-spec, Loaded (brazil) and a Trophy match. It's an old article, but might give some insight on what's actually done.
    http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m0BTT/is_149_24/ai_65910640/?tag=content;col1

    This may still be how the "Brazil" Loaded's are still today:


    Seeing that the frame on the Trophy Match is "partially machined" i do not think it would have "Brazil" on it since >50% of the work is done in the US. Actually never saw (or heard of) a "Brazil" Trophy Match
    I would guess the same work would be done on the "NM" Loaded's

     
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    The Trophy Match is certainly a step up over the Loaded.

    Its essentially a TRP with target sights and without an upgraded finish.
     

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    If the machining on my Champion is any indication, they are doing a good job in Brazil.
     
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    IMBEL steel in Brazil is great.
     
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    Magus Deo Vindice

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    +1 on that.

    The stuff made by IMBEL is quite good.

    Honestly any of the production models you happen to find w/ and NM serial# prefix(which are assembled in the U.S.) are made from those IMBEL parts.

    The debate really comes down to how they're assembled. I've got two Mil-Spec models. One assembled in Brazil and one in the U.S., they're both very good honestly for different reasons. I woudln't hesitate to take a Springer assembled in Brazil...from the standpoint of a production 1911, they're truly quite good.
     
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    I've seen Stainless loaded SA's from both Brazil and the US. For some reason the novak sights on the US made guns are plain black and the novaks on the Brazilian ones are white dot. :dunno:Quality was the same.
     
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    krunchnik THE CROW

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    My Springer Compact with alloy frame is also originated in Brasil,so I guess they are even into the alloy.I contacted Springfield and was told my pistol was manufactured in 1998.

    [​IMG]
     
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    So basically, Springfield Armory is really just an American importer and custom shop? I pretty much got that. Do they "make" any of their firearms?
     
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    My only issue with this topic is that, IMHO, Springfield doesn't freely advertise the fact that they're made in Brazil. I know that IMBEL makes great stuff (their FALs are awesome). But go to Springfield's website and pull up the images of the 1911s, and you'll see that none of those pictured on the site have the Brazil markings. Yet if you order one from your dealer, a Loaded model for example, it comes clearly engraved on the frame as made in Brazil. It will also have tags with the American flag saying something to the extent that Springfield is the oldest name in American firearms. Just a little misleading if you ask me, but I do acknowledge that their 1911s are pretty nice.
     
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    All frames & slides start from Imbel forgings.
    If >50% of the work is preformed in the US, then it doesn't get the "IMBEL" markings.
     
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    Correct. "The First Name in American Firearms"
     
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    Ok, what about the internals? What about the barrels, hammers, ect. Does Imbel make them? Does Springfield make them here in the U.S.?
     
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    i believe IMBEL as well.
     
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    I believe all their frames and slides are IMBEL, including those used in the custom shop.
     
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    They don't 'make' anything as they are a company in name only since the buyout, they sub everything out.
     
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    They are an assembler of 1911 parts. I hate how they try to abuse the old Springfield Armory name.
     
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    pistolwrench Dremel jockey

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    I've really enjoyed working with their frames and slides.

    [​IMG]

    [​IMG]
     
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    Very nice.

    It is good quality steel.
     
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    Yeah yeah we know....

    "Hi my name is Chuck Rogers I can turn lead into gold" :supergrin:

    I never can get over the golfballing on the magcatch and underneath the SS, the attention to detail.... simply amazing.
     
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    :rofl: