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Marine's trial ends without a conviction in 2005 Iraq killings

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by razageorge, Jan 24, 2012.

  1. razageorge

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    http://www.latimes.com/news/local/l...488.story?track=lat-email-topofthetimes-12412

    Having being deployed numerous times into combat and having to deal with intense combat situations, I think this young Sergeant got off too easy.

    Unless I am missing some huge details, he basically ordered his troops into a killing free-for-all! That is not how you deal with combat, must of been inexperienced and poorly trained.
     
  2. John Rambo

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  3. Fred Hansen

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    Yeah, you and Murtha.

    The difference of course is that the traitor John Murtha (D-PA) had all the details, including the data from the Scan Eagle drone that recorded the "incident". http://warchronicle.com/TheyAreNotKillers/Exclusive/RealStoryHaditha.htm :upeyes:
     
  4. M&P15T

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    Incredible stuff.

    Don't **** with Marines, they'll drop bombs on yo butt!!!

    Interesting that two of the 500lb bombs dropped were duds.

    Also interesting that one of the insurgents was killed by Marine small arms fire, despite being in an advantageous, elevated position. And at one point Marines inside one of the houses had a grenade throwing fight with insurgents....talk about CQB!!!
     
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  5. Fred Hansen

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    Details, details.

    My hope is that ex-Marine John Murtha (D-PA) rots in Hell.
     
  6. frank4570

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    Wow. 24 dead unarmed civilians. Some of them surrendering with their hands in the air, some of them children. Seems over the top to me.
     
  7. M&P15T

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    None available, just what I read from that link.
     
  8. M&P15T

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    Dunno.

    If you read the descriptions from the link I quoted, seems like a really bad situation all around.

    Wether the Marines intentionally killed innocents wantonly I can't tell. But then I'm not taking what was written in that first article as the truth, I'm looking more at the info from the link FredHanson posted.
     
  9. GreenDrake

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    Filtered details about combat events. War is hell, fog or no fog.
     
  10. M&P15T

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    Could be that the grenade/fire-fight happened inside the house where the civilians were killed, but I can't tell at this point.

    I wouldn't put it past insurgents to run into a civilian occupied home and turn it into a battle ground.

    Keep in mind, our Military has convicted many of it's members for things like what some are saying happened here. If there was good evidence that attrocities were committed, those 8 Marines would have been found guilty.

    None of the 8 were.
     
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  11. frank4570

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    Some of it.

    But the article specifically says that the marine killed a carload of guys who had their hands in the air, and their fingers interlocked. That's pretty specific.
     
  12. Mrs.Cicero

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    I'm just wondering how the hell are you supposed to tell the difference between people actually surrendering, and the homicidal maniacs who are just trying to sucker you closer before they blow you up along with themselves?

    Mrs.Cicero
     
  13. Jbar4Ranch

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  14. frank4570

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    Yeah, I know. But actually shooting everybody you see because they could be a badguy, doesn't seem like the be choice either.
     
  15. M&P15T

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    There you go. Given the same situation, I would have lit them up too. Don't like your friends and neighbors getting mowed down? Stop them from planting IEDs and blowing up Marines with VBIEDs. No one on our side should be stopping shooting and trying to decide if that car was going to blow-up and immolate them, or if those were really innocents in the wrong place at the wrong time.

    **** them, they made their bed, and they got to sleep in it. And don't forget, they turned and tied to run away. While one of the Marines was yelling at them to surrender in arabic.
     
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    Some of his fellow Marines were acquitted on the same charges and you think he got off too easy? If you ask me, the softball plea was likely so that the prosecutor could walk away with a "victory", getting some kind of conviction.

    I don't pretend to know all the details, but there are two sides to every story, and I'm sure there is a GREAT MANY facts you or I do not know about this case. One thing I do know, war is hell and it's a tough position for anyone to be put in. If you ask me, he's being punished for political reasons, nothing more.
     
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    What is the choice? Death for the Marines?

    Nah.....they did the smart thing. In war, the smart thing isn't always the right thing.
     
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    Fixed it for ya.
     
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    He was extending the logic stated a couple posts above. You don't have to extend it far before you realize it gets bad quickly.
     
  20. PAGunner

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    Thank you, sounds to me like they're all innocent, only guilty of being deployed into hell.