The GWL is a valid form of state id. It is required to be in your posession when you carry. Your DL is required to be in your posession when you operate a motor vehicle. If you are not carrying, you are not required to have your GWL. If you are not driving, you are not required to have your DL. So, why is showing another unrelated form of ID necessary? You have all the info I am legally required to give on either
Except that his GWL comes back with no record found for the name/DOB provided---his fault for not correcting the misprint on the form. Now the cops have every reason they need to dig further and make sure of who's standing in front of them.
True question, true answer: where do you live that trespass is a legal activity? Regardless, nowhere do I see that anything happened to him for a failure to present his "papers".
"But he was leaving..." Yeah. Which means, by definition, that he was still present in a place from which he'd been ejected, and LE has met their standard of probable cause that there's been a crime. The prosecution and the defense are welcome to drag out their tape measures and stop watches; questions about "but I was leaving" and reasonableness can be addressed there. You need to understand that all the effort cops put into brokering out-of-court settlements in disputes are above and beyond what's actually required. We do it a lot, but it's not something that's owed to the suspect. And human nature means that the rude or evasive guy is a lot less likely to get above and beyond effort.
Again, GA law allows for a reasonable attempt at vacating the premises. Once the cops arrived on scene and saw that he was attempting to vacate as ordered, they should have let him go. If they chose to stop and verify he was legally able to carry, thats fine. Once they saw the GWL, that expectation was met. At that point, he should have been allowed to exit the premises. If he refused to leave, or if he came back on the premises after being trespassed, then by all means, cuff and stuff.
The cops chose to violate his rights. The guard chose to break the law. Therefore, they deserve any punishment they get. So far no one has proven that the OS broke any law.
Except that his GWL comes back with no record found for the name/DOB provided---his fault for not correcting the misprint on the form. Now the cops have every reason they need to dig further and make sure of who's standing in front of them.
So it's the OS's fault that the officers did not understand the format? They tried one way, did not get an answer, when they tried the other, they got an answer.
Again, why is the OS at fault because the officer made a mistake?
Thanks for the welcome. Would you mind forwarding that link to Mayhem like Me since he seems to be determined to make deragatory and inflammatory statements about the OS?
Again, GA law allows for a reasonable attempt at vacating the premises. Once the cops arrived on scene and saw that he was attempting to vacate as ordered, they should have let him go. If they chose to stop and verify he was legally able to carry, thats fine. Once they saw the GWL, that expectation was met. At that point, he should have been allowed to exit the premises. If he refused to leave, or if he came back on the premises after being trespassed, then by all means, cuff and stuff.
The cops chose to violate his rights. The guard chose to break the law. Therefore, they deserve any punishment they get. So far no one has proven that the OS broke any law.
I understand about a reasonable attempt. What you need to understand is that "reasonable" is ultimately a question for the trier of fact, be it a judge or jury. Suspects are not entitled to a pass from the police because they claim they were reasonable. Suspects that act like jerks are less likely to be given that courtesy pass by LE.
And since the police ran their situation past a judge *before* making an arrest, they're extremely well-protected against any claim that they violated his rights.
Except that his GWL comes back with no record found for the name/DOB provided---his fault for not correcting the misprint on the form. Now the cops have every reason they need to dig further and make sure of who's standing in front of them.
So it's the OS's fault that the officers did not understand the format? They tried one way, did not get an answer, when they tried the other, they got an answer.
Again, why is the OS at fault because the officer made a mistake?
The cops ran a 50 state search on the only information provided by an evasive suspect. They found no record. This gives them everything they need to dig further; asking for a DL is a pretty standard way to dig.
Obviously he knew that his card was misprinted. Being a personal responsibility kind of guy, I'm going to say that, yes, it was his fault for not fixing it or at least clarifying it at the outset.
Except that his GWL comes back with no record found for the name/DOB provided---his fault for not correcting the misprint on the form. Now the cops have every reason they need to dig further and make sure of who's standing in front of them.
thats because there is NO DATABASE whatsoever for the GA license....the only way to confirm the validity of a GA permit is to call the Judge who issued it during business hours...there are 159 Judges who issue permits in GA
I understand about a reasonable attempt. What you need to understand is that "reasonable" is ultimately a question for the trier of fact, be it a judge or jury. Suspects are not entitled to a pass from the police because they claim they were reasonable. Suspects that act like jerks are less likely to be given that courtesy pass by LE.
And since the police ran their situation past a judge *before* making an arrest, they're extremely well-protected against any claim that they violated his rights.
obviously i cant...i wasnt there and have no idea where this park is even though i live in GA...im about 6 hours away from this area one county from florida...it will be up to a judge and jury to decide what is what
thats because there is NO DATABASE whatsoever for the GA license....the only way to confirm the validity of a GA permit is to call the Judge who issued it during business hours...there are 159 Judges who issue permits in GA
I doubt that any of those judges issue permits to non-existent people. And when all 57 states say "no record found" for a man in his 50s, the popo has more than just a hunch that something's amiss with the guy in front of them. Couple those facts to his behavior and the call that got them there--that whole "totality of the circumstances" thing--and his continued detention for investigation is assuredly legit.
Typo, I get it. But the cops don't have to be clairvoyant.
obviously i cant...i wasnt there and have no idea where this park is even though i live in GA...im about 6 hours away from this area one county from florida...it will be up to a judge and jury to decide what is what
The cops ran a 50 state search on the only information provided by an evasive suspect. They found no record. This gives them everything they need to dig further; asking for a DL is a pretty standard way to dig.
Obviously he knew that his card was misprinted. Being a personal responsibility kind of guy, I'm going to say that, yes, it was his fault for not fixing it or at least clarifying it at the outset.
I doubt that any of those judges issue permits to non-existent people. And when all 57 states say "no record found" for a man in his 50s, the popo has more than just a hunch that something's amiss with the guy in front of them. Couple those facts to his behavior and the call that got them there--that whole "totality of the circumstances" thing--and his continued detention for investigation is assuredly legit.
Typo, I get it. But the cops don't have to be clairvoyant.
i doubt that any of those judges issue permits to non-existent people. And when all 5750 states say "no record found" for a man in his 50s, the popo has more than just a hunch that something's amiss with the guy in front of them. Couple those facts to his behavior and the call that got them there--that whole "totality of the circumstances" thing--and his continued detention for investigation is assuredly legit.
Typo, i get it. But the cops don't have to be clairvoyant.
i doubt that any of those judges issue permits to non-existent people. And when all 5750 states say "no record found" for a man in his 50s, the popo has more than just a hunch that something's amiss with the guy in front of them. Couple those facts to his behavior and the call that got them there--that whole "totality of the circumstances" thing--and his continued detention for investigation is assuredly legit.
Typo, i get it. But the cops don't have to be clairvoyant.
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