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This table is what I keep seeing and, IMO, it's a bit overzealous, but who am I? Most of my mags stay loaded, so I am constantly violating #2, I guess.
I'm asking this here because I treat all of my guns as "carry" guns. Does anybody here follow #2? What are your thoughts and experiences with these, or any of them?
What has worked for you?

#1: Range mags (frequent use) Every 3,000–5,000 rounds or yearly.

#2: Duty/carry mags Every 1–2 years, even with light use.

#3: Long-term loaded mags Can last years, but check tension every 6–12 months.
 
I guess I never followed any of those “rules”.

When I was an LEO, our armorers swapped out our mags every so often. Such as gen2 (U-notch mags) to gen3 fully lined mags. Then gen3 mags to gen4 mags.

For work, I think I had an extra “work set” of mags that I rotated maybe every other year.

For personal shooting, I don’t think I rotated mags on a regular basis.
 
I guess I never followed any of those “rules”.

When I was an LEO, our armorers swapped out our mags every so often. Such as gen2 (U-notch mags) to gen3 fully lined mags. Then gen3 mags to gen4 mags.

For work, I think I had an extra “work set” of mags that I rotated maybe every other year.

For personal shooting, I don’t think I rotated mags on a regular basis.
When I retired, I found a set of three G17 mags topped out with duty rounds. They were my extra mags for a SHTF situation. My guess is I had them like that for over 10-12 years. I finally shot those duty rounds in those mags. No hiccups. I use that set of mags to this day, no problems.
 
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I guess I never followed any of those “rules”.

When I was an LEO, our armorers swapped out our mags every so often. Such as gen2 (U-notch mags) to gen3 fully lined mags. Then gen3 mags to gen4 mags.

For work, I think I had an extra “work set” of mags that I rotated maybe every other year.

For personal shooting, I don’t think I rotated mags on a regular basis.
It sounds like you stuck to "rule" #2, if I'm hearing you correctly.

Thanks for the additional information. This is the sort of information I was looking for.
 
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I think it depends.

It seems like a low capacity single stack mag would have fewer mag spring issues VS a high capacity double stack mag.

You are trying to push a lot less weight with the low capacity single -

Back when I cared about this stuff I use to keep track of which mag I was using for CC and swap it out with a new mag every year.

Then I realized the old mags were being used for years and thousands of rounds and still did not have any issues.

So now I just pay attention when I am loading my carry / SD mags - if the last few rounds are still hard to load because the spring is fighting back - then I figure they are good.

I also clean my mags once in a while - if you lay the springs side by side you can see some older well used mags are shorter. I think this is normal and does not mean the spring is bad.

NEVER stretch a spring back out it actually weakens them.

But if given a choice between a 12" mag spring and a 10.50 inch mag spring I would take the longer one and use it as my carry mag.

If your slide fails to lock back it could be a sign of a weak spring.

But in reality mags and springs are so inexpensive - if I had any worry I would just replace them.
 
I tend to cycle through magazines rather than change springs, especially on mags that stay loaded for a long time.

The only springs I have ever worn to the point they needed to be replaced because they caused issues, were 1911 magazine springs. Those were high volume, high use mags though.
 
It seems like a low capacity single stack mag would have fewer mag spring issues VS a high capacity double stack mag.

You are trying to push a lot less weight with the low capacity single -
I don't know about this. Magazine problems attributed to springs seems to be a much more common topic on the 1911 forums than I see on any other modern pistol design forum except for Hi-Point (which all also have single stack magazines). 8-round .45 and 10-round .45 mags seem to be the biggest offenders. 7-rounds seem to be the most reliable, but are still represented.

I don't really worry about replacing magazine springs in my Glocks until I get failure to lock back on empty. Then I just replace the whole magazine on the theory that if the mag spring has enough usage/wear to make it less than completely reliable then there may be other wear as well... and once you replace the follower, spring, insert, and floorplate you're not that far off from the price of a new magazine anyway.
 
Absolutely NEVER. The amount of cycles it would take to wear out a decent mag spring would leave the rest of the mag worn to the point where it's time to buy another new mag.

I will rotate mags out so that the same old mag isn't loaded with defense ammo for 10 years. It's not necessary, but I read some study posted on anther forum that showed a slight diminished spring strength on loaded mag springs that slowly returned after extended periods of decompression.

It was a military study... not some yout00b booger eater.
 
The only "rule" that I kind of follow among those three is #3. I occasionally check my long-term "loaded mags". Otherwise, I go by the "round count per magazine" instead of "how many rounds I have fired with the gun (for which multiple mags are use)".

For instance, I only replace the mag springs in my designated "range mags" every 8k - 10k rounder per mag or when it starts failing to actuate the slide stop lever reliably when empty (and I use four "range mags" for my designate "practice gun"). That means I only replace the springs in my "range mags" every 32k - 40k rounds fired with my designated "practice gun".

My designated "carry mags," perhaps every 5k rounds per mag (and I also use four "carry mags" with my designated "carry gun"). That means I am unlikely to replace the springs in my "carry mags" ever because I rarely use my "carry mags" on the range once they have been vetted to be reliable with my carry ammo and also because I will never put 20k rounds through my designated "carry gun", anyway.:LOL:
 
IMHO the recommendations posted #1 and #2 are too aggressive.
Range magazines springs every year?! Nah.

I replace magazine springs when I notice an issue or during cleaning/inspection (they are numbered) or have failures to feed the last round. At that point, I will likely replace all the mag springs in the group of four or five range/competition magazines. Same applies for carry mags which are still used regularly, but at a much lower rate.
 
A lot of magazine spring wear threads are based on folklore and cheap magazines.
Years ago there was an MIT study on springs (I kid you not) and the conclusion was that a properly made spring will last indefinitely provided it isn't compressed past it's design limits. Think of a large window size piece of glass requiring 2 people to move it. It will flex up to a point as it is carried but won't break unless it's limits are exceeded.
 
I've listened to recommendations from various gun makers, as well as a major spring maker.

The gun makers who do a lot of LE/Gov business often offer some recommendations on periodic mag spring replacement. I've seen those recommendations vary over the years, and it usually seems the result of both engineering input and their LE/Gov customer experiences and feedback. Sometimes the recommendations have also varied due to caliber (increased slide velocities and feeding 'timing' considerations of different calibers).

I started marking many of my magazines left loaded for long periods with mo/yr dates marking when new springs were last installed. I check them each range session, as well as during occasional armorer bench checks, and will also mark some (check mark & date) to indicate they've been tested/checked in live-fire and remain serviceable.

I also compare the free length of service mag springs to new springs. (That used to be a recommended bench check by at least one of the major gun makers.)

When I asked a major spring maker about mag spring service life expectations one time, the number of rounds-fired they told me was a lot less than what is often heard expressed by many shooters online.

Then again, think about the folks who say their motor veh oil can last a lot longer than manufacturer replacement interval recommendations. :p

I was told by one of the gun companies, and a spring manufacturer, that bulk spring shipments may number up to as high as 10K units at a time (for their company customers). We expect a lot from a simple wire spring, and it's not like each and every spring in that 10K batch is subjected to individual testing before being shipped, is it? (I was told no.) If there's a materials, manufacturing or heat treat issue with some spring - or batch of springs? Well, that's what we hope to catch before it becomes a problem that manifests outside the range, right?

As a firearms trainer and armorer I've seen my fair share of folks experience problems during training drills and quals that ended up being caused by weakened magazine springs. It happens. Sometimes it's been a surprise to folks, and other times it's been a shock, and other times it's something they acknowledge and say they knew they were reaching the end of the spring's service life. What, were they trying to wring our every last round of use before replacing it with a new one? The cost of new springs can often be inexpensive insurance. Some may last longer than others, even in the same conditions. That's why we check operation, right?

As one of the Glock instructors once opined in a class, fresh springs help keep guns alive. I wouldn't presume to gainsay him.

Ask for a replacement interval recommendation from any gun maker, and if you don't like the answer, ask again a year later. :p

In my first S&W armorer class (90's), we were told that for many years the company would randomly select and load magazines for their centerfire models sold to LE, and then date them and store them in a vault. They were randomly pulled out and test-fired at different yearly intervals, checking for function. I was told that the longest period of storage they'd checked, and observed normal feeding & functioning of the mag spring, was 10 years. They recommended checking the free length of service mag and recoil springs against new springs, and replacing them if a spring became shortened more than a certain number of coil windings (relative to the new spring). In subsequent classes they changed that recommendation to replacing service mag/recoil springs (left loaded all the time) every 5 years or every 5K rounds fired.

Recommendations by other gun companies might vary, or be left a bit vague (i.e. do it when it needs it, and hope that first symptom happens on a range, and not on the street).

I tend to look at it from the perspective of it being my gun, and my life that may be at risk.
 
I don't know about this. Magazine problems attributed to springs seems to be a much more common topic on the 1911 forums than I see on any other modern pistol design forum except for Hi-Point (which all also have single stack magazines). 8-round .45 and 10-round .45 mags seem to be the biggest offenders. 7-rounds seem to be the most reliable, but are still represented.

I don't really worry about replacing magazine springs in my Glocks until I get failure to lock back on empty. Then I just replace the whole magazine on the theory that if the mag spring has enough usage/wear to make it less than completely reliable then there may be other wear as well... and once you replace the follower, spring, insert, and floorplate you're not that far off from the price of a new magazine anyway.
You comparing HiPoint and Glock reliability?
:eek:
 
I've gone over 20K rounds on competition mags (+6 rounds on a G17, loaded to 23 rounds). About every 1.5-2 years. For carry guns, some have gone longer that 10 years, mostly loaded, except for 50 rounds or so per month.
 
No, I’m saying that a single stack spring may not be more reliable than a double stack spring, counterintuitive as that may be.
1911 owners lie to themselves like mad. "I need a different recoil spring, a different mag spring, no... different lube... no more lube."

NO! The 1911 is an outdated design that requires excessive attention to every detail to run 99
%. It's a classic car that's good for weekend cruising, cool to own, but impractical and unreliable for the average dude.
 
Back in the 1980s I a custom pistolsmith who informed me that magazine springs don't really ever go bad. He had magazines that had been loaded since WW2 that worked fine when used. It is the cycles of loading and unloading that can affect a spring. Staying compressed or not for a modern spring doesn't matter. Modern steels are pretty good as a rule. However with a 1911, once the recoil spring is no longer straight. Once it has slight bends when removed from the pistol get another one. They are cheap. The duty cycle for a recoil spring and a magazine spring are nothing alike. With some new Glock magazines, it is tough to get that last cartridge in. It never seems to get any easier over time. I have a Glock 27 with several magazines that the 9th cartridge goes into easily. Some others require a lot of force to barely get that last round inserted.
 
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