[The Night Rider]

A guy did a statistical analysis of more than a thousand CIVILIAN shootings, and found that:

75% of all civilian shootings are resolved with 5 rounds or less
95% of civilian shootings are resolved with 8 rounds or less.

What guy? What are his credentials? Why should I put any weight behind what he says?

The overwhelming majority of the time I carry two reloads.

You do you Boo

 

[The Night Rider]

Your post reminds me of some instances where I watched someone qualifying on our range, and they mistakenly grabbed a folding knife or a small flashlight from a belt sheath, instead of a spare magazine., when they were scrambling to remain under a time limit; or faced with more multi-tasking than they seem to have expected; or they experienced an unexpected (obviously) stoppage that couldn't be resolved without another magazine.

The results were generally interesting, to say the least. (Especially if having grabbed the wrong equipment wasn't noticed until it didn't fit in the weapon. )

It was often followed by a discussion of how and why certain gear might be situated on a belt (whether it be a uniform gun belt or plainclothes dress belt), and how training to access the specific gear needed for something might be helpful.

You can lead a horse to water ...

I made that mistake one time on a practice range.

After that my magazines went in a horizontal holder on my right side and my Knife/Multitool were on my left hip in vertical pouches and my flashlight I hung on my body armor.

Now that I'm retired my flashlight is in my front pocket.

 

[The Night Rider]

Or if a crew on a B-17. (Extra) Ammunition was the most "smuggled" item carried aboard the B-17 during WWII.

Why?

It's not like they were going to shoot their way out of Germany.

 

[The Night Rider]

What about topping off? I carry 3 7 round mags with my xds. One fails after one round. Dump it and go to a second. Fire 5 rounds. You ok going home on two rounds? A full 7 round mag to top off is my requirement.

If you fire five rounds the odds are you ain't going home anytime soon.

 

[The Night Rider]

You don't think you're going to be detained while the police are investigating?

 

[The Night Rider]

The Germs had these aircraft (like BF-109's) that would try to shoot the B-17's out of the sky. So, yeah, they were shooting their way into - but mostly out of - Germany; and the gunners had a very limited amount of ammunition. As I recall, somewhere between 60 and 90 seconds of fire for the entire mission (each gun, and different gunner positions had differing amounts of ammunition).

I thought you were talking about personal weapon ammunition.

 

[The Night Rider]

I'll stick with Tom Givens, His book "Concealed Carry Class" is GOLD! , he got the receipts

Okay, and this is relevant to my question how exactly?

 

[The Night Rider]

Active self protection guy said he watched 40,000 videos of violent encounters and never saw a civilian reload during a fight.

And now we know how active self-protection guy got so fat

 

[The Night Rider]

Most people will burn thru what is in the gun if a target is available.

I don't disagree with you about carrying a reload but the statistics would seem to not bear your above statement out

 

[The Night Rider]

That‘ll probably happen regardless. The main questions are how long the detention will be and if it’ll end in charges being filed. That’ll be determined by how reasonable the use of force is based on statute and totality of circumstances. Number of rounds fired is only a small part of that.

My comment had more to do with the fact that rounds were fired at all than it did with the number of rounds fired

 

[The Night Rider]

The Germs had these aircraft (like BF-109's) that would try to shoot the B-17's out of the sky. So, yeah, they were shooting their way into - but mostly out of - Germany; and the gunners had a very limited amount of ammunition. As I recall, somewhere between 60 and 90 seconds of fire for the entire mission (each gun, and different gunner positions had differing amounts of ammunition).

According to what I've read about the Air War
A lot of the gunners were horrible at deflection shots and wasted a lot of their allotted ammunition.

 

[The Night Rider]

Heck you can even stick a tampon in a hole.

And just like that you lost all your credibility to lecture me on field expedient medicine.

 

[The Night Rider]

Tampons and kotex are medically accepted emergency replacements for ABD pads.

They might have been in the 80s but 20 years in Afghanistan have taught us that they're not worth s***.

 

[The Night Rider]

Tom Givens has credentials.

This is true but I'm not sure that Tom Givens is the source that he was citing. So Tom Givens credentials in my opinion aren't relevant to this discussion.

Having said that, I would certainly take Tom Givens advice over that of the original poster

 

[The Night Rider]

So now you spent 20 years in Afghanistan? Where? With whom? What branch, division, company, years? Which operations did you participate in?
Quit your BS. Every member on here is calling BS on your study and your arguments.

I never claimed to have served 20 years in Afghanistan. I got out of the army before the war in Afghanistan even started.

I posted a video from a medical doctor who was very clear about his credentials and whose CV (I'm sure) is readily available and in his well educated opinion tampons are not worth carrying in your medical kit.

I believe you also mentioned sanitary napkins, in this video he discusses them and says they're okay but there are much better options.

But you go on ahead and keep claiming to be an expert with your 40-year-old knowledge. What's next leeches ?

 

[The Night Rider]

Really? OK show a study.

Tom Givens has provided data. There's also the Kleck study. There are also the multiple active self-protection videos that don't even show people reloading.

 

[The Night Rider]

Right there is your biggest problem- you jump to conclusions but fail to read the words that are right in front of you.
Nowhere did I say anything about packing tampons or kotex in a med kit- you made that up on your own. The statement I made was regarding being faced with "dismissing supplies".
You really should pay more attention to what people actually write instead of making things up.

I'd like to dedicate this song to our newest resident troll Rock Crawler

 

[The Night Rider]

Sanitary napkins, however, make MODERATELY ACCEPTABLE FIELD EXPEDIENT bandages IF YOU DON'THAVEANYTHING BETTER.

FIFY.

 

[The Night Rider]

Just because they don't reload does not mean they are not empty. See the difference. There have been a multitude of LE shootings where the officer has dumped the entire ammo load on one target and had an empty gun when help arrived. That means that a reload would not have changed the situation, not that having a reload to use was not a good idea. Don't get lost in the small picture.

I see what you're saying but I've never advocated not having a Reload

 

[The Night Rider]

Good song

Patty was right on the border between punk and New Wave