Well I made up my mind and i'm going to order a glock 38. The glock 4 acp platforms are just to big for me thick as a brick. My favorite glock is the G19 which I have Two. A gen3 and a gen4. So the G38 has the same size frame as the G19. Now my only choice is black or OD. I know a dealer who has two OD G38's in stock.