M18 - they should have gone with the APX

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  1. TheDreadnought

    TheDreadnought

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    Honest Outlaw review of the M18.


    View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=-ywMDSPK3h0


    Pretty piss poor performance.

    Multiple Failures. 6” off target at 10 yards. A lot of muzzle movement to slow down your shooting.

    He even points out the Canik TP9 had better performance for half the price.

    You can tell it’s hard for him. He REALLY wanted to give this pistol a rave review, but at the EoD he had to admit it sucks.

    It’s like the US military is arming its troops with junk just because they can get it cheap.

    No wait, it’s not “like” that. That’s EXACTLY what they are doing? Are the Soviets in charge now?

    Plus the didn’t the Sigs need some immediate work to fix a dangerous defect right after delivery?

    My APX hits exactly where I aim it. It’s had zero failures of any kind, and wasn’t a dangerously defective product.

    The military screwed the pooch big time in selecting this pistol vs. any of the competition.
     
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    Nah, they should have gone with the Glock. Known quantity, already in use and commonly used by allies.

    Still can't quite get mine to do that to my liking yet. It's a fine combat gun but I won't be running it in any Glock talk monthly challenges any time soon.

    Shoot rings around it with my Glocks.
     

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    Ditto Glock 17 or 19. Standard sidearm UK, France, Austria, Sweden and others
     
  4. TheDreadnought

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    I’m going to guess that has more to do with you than the pistols. Glock ergos work really well for some, not for others.

    I shoot rings around every other pistol I own with my APX. But I can never get a Glock to more than mediocre for me.

    That’s why it’s good we have options I guess.
     
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    Indeed, but it is puzzling how inconsistent I am with considering the good ergos and trigger. I can shoot just about anything as well, and many things better.
     
  6. 292992

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    I had an APX and traded it in, it was a okay shooter for me, recently just started shooting a P320 a couple days ago and I shot it extremely well. Different strokes for different folks as the saying goes.
     
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  7. Deputydave

    Deputydave Millennium Member

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    Agreed. Glock was and is the obvious and logical choice for the Armed Services just as it is with L.E.

    For the money wasted ‘testing’ they could have armed every soldier with Glock 19’s.
     
  8. Morgo

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    Hate to burst your bubble but the US military has a long history of not caring about its men when it comes to service weapons.

    Just read up on the M16 early days.
    You didn't think the M9 was chosen because it was the best either did you?
     
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    I have a 320 compact. It’s been 100% reliable but it shoots low like his does.
     
  10. DonGlock26

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    My APX is great. It would have been a great choice. The G17 would have been a good choice as well.


    View: https://youtu.be/v0LUbLu6TqA
     
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  11. Gokyo

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    None of what I assert next is based on any inside knowledge or experience...

    How many m9 where ever actually shot in the line of duty?

    I am guessing the number is low.

    No one in the military actually cares about pistols in terms of its combat performance.

    I suspect the pistol trials where most rigged to provide a sweet heart deal to (in this case) Sig. The Sig M18 is not the best sidearm. But for some other reason they where awarded the contract.

    Certainly if it was about actually use, value, quality, dependability, or any other metric that makes sense it would have been a Glock.

    I am not a Glock fan boy. It just makes sense because they are a ubiquitous service weapon.

    The military should not care about making sure a pistol is super accurate. Minute of Milk Jug at 10 yards is more than sufficient.
     
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    I think the only things wrong with the m9 were they were shot to pieces and didn't have an accessory rail. To that end the Beretta A3 would have been a fine upgrade.

    But then the paper pushers wouldn't get to do the procurement polka.
     
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    That would have been a fine choice. M9r would make a lot of sense.

    Or a Glock 17/19.
     
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    Funny but my sig 320 is extremely accurate right out of the box, really outstanding trigger. Had two different guys try to buy it from me at the gun club.
     
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    Wake_jumper Don't Jump!

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    ... looks like he got a lemon. He will have to send it back to Sig. Bummer, but it happens.
     
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    Glock 17 or 19 and call it a day.
    Some General even said something to this effect. No testing needed as its BEEN tested since 1985.
     
  17. newglocker10mm

    newglocker10mm Texas Born & Bred

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    I'm going to go with a lemon or he just didn't shoot it well. I have an M17 and an M18. I can switch the slides back and forth and suffer no lack of accuracy or reliability with either platform. But I can do the same thing with either my Beretta 92 and Centurion or 96 and Centurion.
     
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    Get your APX wet and try to rack the slide with your bare hand.
     
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    Not at all a fan of that Sig, but tens of thousand of folks love it, so I’m likely missing something. :headscratch:
     
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    Sig well underbid them. That’s the main issue.