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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by Seuss, Aug 18, 2018.
Small sample kinda like the 10mm tests. SIG kind of surprised me.
I am totally not disagreeing with you I am just saying the performance of all of these Handgun calibers are pretty similar.
Where 10 mm and 357 sig excel is hand loading. I own and load for both.
Fixed it for you,
I notice that 357 Sig and 10mm were the only calibers where all hollow point bullets tested expanded; some not very impressively, but all HP did expand.
One contributing factor in that is that LG used full size, duty type barrels for the those two calibers. The other semi auto calibers used shorter tubes. I actually prefer the shorter length barrel tests. If they do well in a 3.5 inch gun, they generally will do slightly better in a full size gun. The reverse is not always true.
Thanks for posting this info OP and @happie2shoot.
Lucky Gunner is publishing the best ballistic tests out there since Shooting the Bull stopped testing.
I enjoy the completeness of their testing. It must be very expensive to do so. Hope they are able to continue.
Not especially impressive performance for 357 SIG. Except for muzzle velocity, the Federal 125 gr HST load performed no better (slightly worse) than the 9 mm Federal 124 gr HST +P load did fired from a shorter barrel.
Penetration of the Speer Gold Dot load was barely adequate. And in terms of penetration and expansion, the Federal HST and Speer GD loads were inferior IMO to those of the .40 S&W 180 grain loads, again shot from a shorter barrel in the same medium.
Have you shot a lot of animals with different guns,
handguns, rifles and shotguns, and different kinds of ammo.
I will take the extra velocity, it can make a difference but
you have to use the right kind of bullets/boolits, match the
different projectiles to their best velocity.
Sometimes even as small as 100 fps can make a difference,
you can see it in LG test, some bullets want to open up but
just need a little more fps.
You will not see it as much if you don't shoot a lot of
animals though, the difference is a rodent getting shot
and running to its hole as if nothing had happened and
one dragging most of its innards to his hole.
You can see the impact in slow motion, notice how the
357 HST sig round lifts the block and the 9 HST does
The Underwood 125gr 357 sig ammo goes over 1500 fps in
a four inch barrel.
The Gold Dot they tested is the 5 petal .357sig GD 53918 load design for quicker expansion and less penetration. The 6 petal .357sig GD 54234 will penetrate a good bit deeper. Consider the 53918 the "short barrel" load.
From a 3.5" G33 the HST actually has a little larger expanded diameter than with a G32 or G31.
Post #7 Bingo
I shot a deer with 155 XTP - that bullet expanded to .68 in Lucky Gunner Test.
I documented 1 1/4'' hole in entry shoulder and bigger than quarter (.95) exit on heart.
The commonly parroted handgun bullets can't/don't do damage beyond what the bullet touches is incorrect and unlike the anecdotal generalization "doctors can't tell a difference" I took pics.
Maybe 9mm/40/45 don't do damage beyond what the bullet physically touches, but applying that generalization to 10mm or perhaps even 357 Sig - nope - needs disclaimer like "typical service calibers"
When this subject comes up, you can tell who has not
shot much meat.
A flat nose non-expanding cast boolit will make a big hole
if pushed fast enough, also I don't think many consider their
range, bullets slow down fast, what a bullet does at
ten feet will not be what it does at thirty or 100 yards.
Also different kinds of meat, lungs, heart, can respond
different to a bullet and velocity.
I shot a rabbit with 7 shot from a 12ga, it was laying on
the ground around 25 yards from me and my brother, he
said watch this, then shot it with a sp bullet from a 222.
The head just disappeared, the body did not move, just
poof, head gone.
Wish they would have used a pistol with a shorter barrel. Most people CCW with compact pistols, not with full-size pistols.
Sure, it's cool to see how the 357 SIG performs out of a G31. But I carry a G33, so these results really don't mean much to me.
Ever considered putting a Glock 32 barrel in it?
Extra velocity without decreasing concealment.
My 5 shot chrono averages
Winchester Ranger T 125 gr. @ 1,340 fps / 499# KE (+60 fps)
Speer Gold Dot 125 gr. @ 1,344 fps / 501# KE (+60 fps)
Federal HST 125 gr. @ 1,358 fps / 512# KE (+43 fps)
Ranger T 125 gr. @ 1,280 fps / 455# KE
Gold Dot 125 gr. @ 1,284 fps / 458# KE
Federal HST 125 gr. @ 1,315 fps / 480# KE
The Corbon JHP 357 Sig 125gr aound at 1425 fps and the 115gr JHP at 1500 fps puts the G33 on equal standing with the G32. Load it with one of the Underwood 125gr offerings and you have a pocket Magnum.
I do not put a lot of value in the Lucky Gunner tests.
here's the test of the real 357 revolvers for comparison
My edc is a g32 gen 4 loaded with Hornady 124 grain bullet. This combo has proven effective against coyotes.
All I see is bullets that performed the same as the 9mm tests with all the associated recoil of higher velocity
and 10mm sucks unless handloaded or boutique ammo
Underwood with the Speer 125gr projectile
16+ inches penetration, perfect expansion, over 1500 fps in a G32 (4 barrel)
I would rather use a "lesser" round for self defense, as you would be deaf if you cracked off some 357 SIG in an enclosed space like your kitchen, car, etc.
But I ain't shooting anyone anyway, so it doesn't matter.
"Poof", at 0:50 -
I owned a couple of Glock 32s shortly after they came out 20 years ago. Once the thrill wore off and I discovered the 357 Sig was all bark and a bite that was no different than the other service calibers I moved on.