Went to the range Saturday, had both G17s, a .38, and a Bersa .380. Just for the heck of it I rented a G21. I love my G17, bur the 21 was just simply spectacular....come my birthday I will have one. I dont have the picture, but I put in a 1" grouping of 5 rounds at 50 feet. My 14 year old daughter could handle it as well as my wife. SWEET!