I expect a lot of chest beating.You KNOW how this is going to go .
What state?Thankfully I live in a state that is still free and don't have to worry about that clown show allowing unqualified non-post certified turds to detain me.
But in your reality, you just have to tell them you're carrying conceal weapon and you are not going to disarm until law enforcement arrives. long as I'm
And then never shop there again.
Generally speaking I agree with you BUT I don't want some Minimum Wage plus .50 cents Signal 88 employee trying to disarm me.If you’re not shoplifting why not just politely cooperate, get it cleared up, and go on your merry?
I understand. Obviously each situation is unique unto itself, but I’m not sure you have much choice in the matter, unless you want it to potentially go badly. Sure, a guy can be a schmuck about it and run the risk of elevating the issue to potentially dangerous or criminal levels. Or, check the ego, deal with it for a brief period, and then decide if you ever want to patronize that place again.Generally speaking I agree with you BUT I don't want some Minimum Wage plus .50 cents Signal 88 employee trying to disarm me.
I'm also not comfortable disclosing that I'm armed. I have no problem believing "I have a concealed handgun permit and I'm armed. So I think it's best we wait for the police ." Would be repeated to the police as "OMG!!!! HE'S GOT A GUN AND HE'S THREATENING SECURITY!!!!!!!! "
You ask what "reasonable belief" led them to stop and question you and go from there.So, Loss Prevention identifies themselves and attempts to detain you to investigate a possible shoplifting. It's not a uniformed off duty cop.
How do you handle it?
That's okay as long as you understand that you aren't the arbiter of whether or not their belief is reasonable.You ask what "reasonable belief" led them to stop and question you and go from there.
First, your understanding of the law is grossly flawed.Last year I went to a Duluth Trading Company store for the first (and last) time. As mentioned, it was my first time in the store so I browsed the entire store before deciding to buy a small Opinel knife.
I must have done something to trip someone's trigger because a uniformed security guard followed me everywhere I went in the store. Nothing happened, he never spoke to me and I decided never to set foot in the store again.
Obviously, I'm going to ask how you deal with loss prevention as a concealed carrier but before I do I want to point out that in my state (Colorado) Loss Prevention has the legal authority to detain a suspected shoplifter for a reasonable period to determine whether or not they've stolen anything. And it is a FELONY to resist such detainment and Loss Prevention is authorized to use reasonable force to detain you. This is law in several states.
So you can't say you're going to tell the LP guy to kiss your ass and keep moving or you can but it isn't going to end well.
So, Loss Prevention identifies themselves and attempts to detain you to investigate a possible shoplifting. It's not a uniformed off duty cop.
How do you handle it?
With that cleared up, if you stole, yes, you better fess up if Loss Prevention or Security stops you. If it is LE, that is different. If you didn't steal, you best be calling the local PD and let them clear it up.If any person triggers an alarm or a theft detection device as defined in section 18-4-417(2) or conceals upon his person or otherwise carries away any unpurchased goods, wares, or merchandise held or owned by any store or mercantile establishment, the merchant or any employee thereof or any peace officer, acting in good faith and upon probable cause based upon reasonable grounds therefor, may detain and question such person, in a reasonable manner for the purpose of ascertaining whether the person is guilty of theft.
Such questioning of a person by a merchant, merchant’s employee, or peace or police officer does not render the merchant, merchant’s employee, or peace officer civilly or criminally liable for slander, false arrest, false imprisonment, malicious prosecution, or unlawful detention.