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Looks like my girl is going to beat me to the application process for HPD!

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  1. HKUSP45Css

    HKUSP45Css

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    Well, my lovely fiance' has made the tentative decision to apply for the Houston Police Department. I was thinking about applying once I finished my Associate's degree but, she already has a Bachelor's and is looking for a more fulfilling career track than the one she was on.

    Anyone have any advice for a woman who wants to serve the community in a policing role but with very little background in the industry?

    She's "petite" but she posesses an amazing attention to detail, unwavering work ethic and a strong dedication to anything she chooses to do.

    What are some of the things you fine folks have experienced working with women officers? Are they subjected to extra scrutiny or derision or are they respected as much as they deserve, as a rule?

    Give me some input, please. I really want to support her decision but, I want to make sure she's got the whole picture before she goes through with the change.
     
  2. Pepper45

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    In my area, women are expected to hold their own, right along with the men. A really petite woman may have to prove herself at first when it comes to the physical stuff, and may have to throw down a little more often before she's accepted as "one of the boys".
     

  3. HKUSP45Css

    HKUSP45Css

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    Which seems understandable. I guess my question was really more like is she going to have to face an uphill battle throughout her career even if she is a great officer just because she's a woman and a petite one at that.

    She's in good shape, she's not a slouch, she's not a slug. She's the kind of person that goes to work everyday to "do her job to the best of her abilities."

    I was just curious if she's going to take a constant barrage of crap for being a short female even if she's a great cop (who can handle herself).
     
  4. Mayhem like Me

    Mayhem like Me Semper Paratus

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    In this line of work the more crap they give you the more they like you...within reason.

    Her life will be filled with black humor , juvenile humor, moronic humor,,,that from the people that like her.
    Those that don't like her will just talk bad about her behind her back.
    If she does a good job and has her head on straight she will develop lifelong friends that would sacrifice their life for her(heavy stuff )..

    Yes whe will take a fair amount of crap for being a small female if she is hot she will also take crap for being good looking.. have her develop good coping skills and a quick kick to the family jewels.

    It will depend on her personality if she can "roll" she will be fine , If she's an uptight control freak ..Houston (we might) Have a Problem.
     
  5. HKUSP45Css

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    Seems about what I expected. She's actually pretty laid back and can take it as well as dish it. Heck she puts up with me and I'm no day at the park with the sarcasm and sardonic humor.

    She's pretty focused on her professional goals when she decides what they are. She just doesn't want to go into a field where her stature or gender are going to hold her back regardless of her performance.

    I explained to her that her merit will make a truck load more difference to her co-workers and superiors than her ta-tas or her height but, she did express some reservations and ask that I ask around in some of "my circles" as to the experience of others.
     
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    If she has a good attitude, can do the job, and doesn't shirk her duties, she'll be just fine. If she (as my esteemed colleague said) has control issues, or no sense of humor, she's in for a long road. LE is a very interesting profession, and most of the time, one is measured by the way they handle themselves, and the job. Who or what you are means little in most departments.
     
  7. obxemt

    obxemt Chaplain of CT

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    To start off, she'll get hired before you. No battle there at all.

    In my experience, female verses male has nothing to do with "uphill battles" anymore. It's all about personality type. If she's a normal human being with heart, she'll be treated like it, and she'll be another cop. If she's a mouthy, opinionated, know-it-all, over-compensating wench, she'll be treated like it.

    By the way...I was going to make a rather off-color comment, but I'll just put it this way, the way I was warned before it actually took place to me: "Trust them with your life, not with your wife."
     
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    She sounds competive. Dump her!
     
  9. wprebeck

    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    Make sure she tells them about using Viagra without a prescription, and how you do it, too. Background investigators LOVE to hear that kind of thing.


    For those who might care, our intrepid poster flat out stated that he, and his girlfriend, both use Viagra to enhance their love lives. I'm sure she'll make a nice addition to HPD, what with the illegal drug use and all.
     
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    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    Relevant link, and post to my above comment -

    http://www.glocktalk.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1184236&highlight=viagra&page=2


     
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    Narc1911 Anchora Salutis

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    :wow:

    You and your girlfriend would need at minimum 7-10 years drug use free prior to applying with my agency (and most). Even then your chances would be slim, especially if you and your girlfriend have abused prescription meds more than once or twice.

    If you so freely admit illegal drug abuse yesterday, the chances are you have other drug abuse in your history. If you have abused any drugs such as cocaine, MDMA, Heroin, LSD, or other hallucinogens even once, you are pretty much permanently DQ'd from LE.
     
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    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    He doesn't think ahead, does he?

    If there's any folks in HPD on the board, feel free to pass it on. I'm sure it wouldn't be THAT difficult to find out who the OP and his girlfriend are. What makes it REALLY funny to me, is that he dimed out his girlfriend, and she doesn't even know it. This stuff gets back to HPD, not only is she out of the process, but she'll never get hired on ANY agency.

    Oops.


    I mean, I could be wrong...but I'm fairly sure that taking a prescription drug that ISN'T prescribed to you, is against the law in virtually every state in this country. That's the whole reason for needing scripts.
     
  13. lawman800

    lawman800 Juris Glocktor

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    It just keeps getting better, don't it?
    Wow, that is pretty idiotic to admit online... but maybe they both had prescriptions? Who knows nowadays.

    Oh, it's against the law in CA too.

    In any event, as to women in LE, they are expected to carry their own weight but they do seem to get hired more easily as the departments want to get more females in to balance out their demographics.

    I don't care what you are (female, black, white, tall, short, green, plaid, vegetarian, pagan, democrat, homosexual, Christian, atheist, etc.) as long as when the chips are down, you can take care of business. If you can't, you have no business in LE, end of story.

    Oh, for HK... :needspics:
     
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    First off, my fiance' has never done illegal drugs, nor have I. Let's just get that out of the way.

    You made a bunch of suppositions in your inferences. First you assumed that I didn't have a prescription for viagra, then you assumed when I said "women" or "she" I was talking about anyone in particular and then you assumed that any of my related story had anything to do with recent events involving my current fiance'.

    I have nothing in my past that would bar me from becoming an HPD officer, neither does she.

    I know you think you're doing a public service but, you're wrong on a lot of levels about your assumptions.
     
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    This seems to be the general consensus I'm getting from my friends here and on-line and, honestly, I'm glad about it. I'm sure she will be too.

    Of course HPD doesn't even have another academy opening until July so she has plenty of time to think on it (assuming she get's accepted). It would seem Houston has become a Mecca for the unemployed and civil service has become the new Wall Street Banker.

    ETA: There will be no pics unless she decides to join an online forum and post them herself. She's a much better shot than I am. :tongueout:
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    If you're on the up and up, neither of you have nothing to worry about. If not, perhaps the military would be better choice for both of you.

    Notice, I am not saying anything either way, but perhaps they picked up on something in that other thread?

    Either way I hope it works out well for you. Be honest, be forthright. When it comes to where the rubber meets the road integrity is the big thing that hiring agencies/departments look at.

    Concerning the military, I was thinking in reference to any possible past practices that would preclude either of you from joining LE right away. The military can present a chance to clean up. If you get in the military in a LE capacity of any type, it works for you well in joining other federal LE later on.
     
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    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    So, you DO have a prescription for Viagra, being a healthy 33 year old male?

    And your girlfriend has a prescription for it, as well, being that it's only prescribed to males?


    Because that's what you said in your post. Your words, not mine. Your statements about using Viagra recreationally, not mine. I'm not assuming anything, either. Viagra is NOT legal to use, unless you have a prescription. If you are, as you stated, a healthy 33 year old male who take Viagra because it feels good (again, your words, not mine), then you don't have a prescription for it. If you DO have a prescription for it, then why? By your own admission, you're a healthy 33 year old male who takes Viagra because it feels good, not because of ED.

    You're not very good at this game, you know?

    You also posted, in a public forum, that your girlfriend takes Viagra because it feels good for women. Since Viagra is for erectile disfunction, and isn't indicated for treatment of any disease or disorder in females, then why would your girlfriend take it? If she has used it, then she's taken illegal prescription drugs. Abuse of Viagra is no different than abuse of hydrocodone or any other prescription drug. No prescription, and admittingly using drugs for personal pleasure IS abuse.

    Again, I didn't ASSUME anything. I called you out in the first thread, and I'm calling you out right now. You have neither the background (drug abuse at your age) nor the integrity to be an officer. You take prescription drugs for recreational purposes. YOU admitted that, I didn't infer it. If you have a prescription for it, based on your own words (healthy 33 year old male), then you obtained it fraudulently. I say that, because HEALTHY 33 YEAR OLD MEN don't NEED Viagra. And we (because I'm the same age) don't use drugs because they "feel good".

    So, can you tell me what I "assumed"? Everything I posted about can be found directly in your post. You can try and weasel out of it, but you're the not-so-smart guy who got into a debate about recreational use of Viagra, and then posted about you and your girlfriend using it recreationally. Of course, the "she" you posted might not be your girlfriend, in which case you're in even more trouble if your girl reads this thread.

    Good stuff...let the lying continue.
     
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    wprebeck Have you seen me?

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    The reasons I "assume" this is an ongoing thing -

    Notice the present tense - "I'm a....who TAKES"

    Next sentence, same verb tense -

    Now, if this were something that had occured in the past, why wouldn't you say that "I have taken Viagra in the past, blah blah blah"? Also, you admitted to either taking Viagra without a prescription, or to obtaining one fraudently. The fact that you stated you have never had an issue with ED (see above) makes that "assumption" true.

    Sorry, but you're a liar. Sucks for you.
     
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    Hack Crazy CO Gold Member

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    I think they both need a stint in the military to learn a little more about life. It seems the USMC is one of the best for teaching integrity. US Army is OK, but it varies on what you are exposed to, depending on your MOS. It would be a great opportunity for both of them to clean up, and get focused on doing the right things in life.
     
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    I'm not lying, I haven't broken the law (as it pertains to this discussion), neither has she. I see you responded before I edited my post for clarity.

    Like I said before, there is nothing in my past that would preclude either her or myself from becoming a HPD officer. I'm aware that I have to disclose my entire background, take a polygraph and go through an extensive BI and psych eval to be considered.

    She's also aware of that. Neither of us have anything in our pasts to worry about. She has never commited a crime that would rise above the level of class c misdemeanor regarding the regulation of traffic.

    The specific post you're referring to was an attempt to dispel misinformation based on my experience. I'm fully able to say that my past actions were lawful and, further, that my fiance's past actions have been lawful for as long as I've known her (and actually, in this case, didn't apply to her).

    You're welcome to "call me out" on any behavior you think desrves it. I would hope, however, you'd understand if I don't feel the need to get all "up close and personal" defending myself by providing the intimate details of my life to an online stranger. I'd be happy to do so to a board of Officers considering me for a Law Enforcement position, however.

    ETA: Having seen your most recent post I see you're correct in that the use of tense in that sentence was unfortunate, I was trying to illustrate a point. Again, though, she has nothing to worry about.
     
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