According to the rulebook:from the RO briefs it's acceptable, and i'm thinking the rule book also. i liked it a lot better when GSSF used the low ready start and the orange spot on the ground
In your first post you mentioned the RO briefs, then you went on to say you thought the rule book also agreed with that type of start.i don't care what it says. until the briefs say other wise it'll fly with me. for the record i hate it but it really doesn't make much difference in the end.
if you thought it was cheating why didn't you voice your complaint when it'd done some good (if any)? now is over a month too late.
that is it but rules are rules !! was at a match one time and there was a policeman there to shoot with his gun in the back of his pants with the slide NOT locked back .. I did tell the RO and he told they guy to lock the slide back the guy did not even go to a safe zone just pulled it out and locked it back :faint:I just try to do better than my previous personnal best. I have seen several grip mods in Civilian and indoor shoots also without apparent regards to the rules. I figure what the heck. At least the shooter is showing up to help out GSSF events..
In your first post you mentioned the RO briefs, then you went on to say you thought the rule book also agreed with that type of start.
My response was to show what the rulebook DOES say, and I can't see ANY interpretation of the rule book "agreeing" with that type of start. If the briefs are differing from the rule book, then shame on GSSF.
I am not "in on" the RO Briefs, and I doubt the vast majority of the competitors are either. Not sure why you would say "you don't care what it says", when it is the rule book. If the attitude is to "not care what the rule book says" about starts, what is to say competitors shouldn't care what the rule book says about internal modifications (trigger perhaps?) but still shooting in the Stock Division ? I know I personally have wanted to do some trigger upgrades to my G17 that would involve aftermarket parts, but chose not to when I found that "according the rulebook" that would make me ineligible for shooting in the Stock Division. Guess I should use your logic and disregard that thought? I say this tongue in cheek, as I will NOT do that... instead I will stick with my '-' connector as being the limit to my trigger mods.
So while yes, I *did* think those shooters who weren't starting from low ready were cheating... I went in knowing I was not going to be winning anything. It was my first GSSF and I was just having fun and to see how the things are run. I succeeded in both, as I DID have fun (I had a BALL!) and I also saw how things were run. I was happy with my 15th place finish, I expect to do better in the future.
I saw no merit to complaining to the ROs about someone cheating, but apparently there are some big discrepancies about what people think is the right way to do things.
Thus this thread.
Again... shame on the GSSF for having the rule book say one thing, then apparently saying something else in these "RO Briefs" that are an obvious contradiction.
According to the rulebook:
Start position. Follow range officer instructions at all times at each stage. After the range officer has
directed you to handle and load your firearm, you will start in the “ready” position. Hold your firearm in your
hands, with your forearms touching your torso. The GLOCK muzzle is pointed into the impact berm behind
the targets, parallel to the ground or lower, at the ground between you and the targets. Finger(s) must be
outside of the firearm’s trigger guard.
I agree with all the above.Having been an RO recently, I'll say that we were told that the new starting position (forearms touching the torso, I think they called it 'close ready') is the preferred starting position, but low ready was acceptable as well. The shooter in that video appeared to be doing neither.
The RO's are volunteers, some of whom may never have been to a GSSF match before, much less competed in one, or have ever read the rules. It's possible that RO missed the part about the official / acceptable starting positions.
Based on the speed with which that guy shot the plates, I doubt it made a difference. I mean he wasn't slow, but even with his head start, I doubt he was heading for a top few finish...and if you're not in the top few, all you can do is hope for a random prize.