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Discussion in 'Okie Memorial Area' started by okie, Jul 31, 2002.

  1. okie

    okie GT Mayor

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    Well since my thread on locking types I have seen a Benchmade
    cataloge, and saw there axis lock knives. Are they really better
    than a liner lock. They didnt really have a good pic of how
    the blade locks, but I like the one handed opening and
    closing.;a
     
  2. Tao

    Tao

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    Benchmade has the patent on axis locks, although Cold Steel has begun to produce axis lock knives. I spoke to someone today who put his Benchmade axis lock in a vise and then hung 190 lbs on the other end, and the knife didn't budge. The axis lock uses more steel to lock the blade than other locks, but unless you plan on some heavy abuse, the other locks are fine, depending on your needs.
     

  3. Joe Talmadge

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    The axis lock isn't just "Better" than the liner lock, it's in a completely different class. Don't focus too much on strength: either a well-made axis lock or well-made liner lock will be plenty strong. But when it comes to reliability, there's no contest. Liner locks can fail due to any number of reasons: torquing, white-knuckling, spine pressure, spine impact pressure, etc. Even the best liner lock makers have a very difficult time making liner locks that are consistently reliable. And many people have gotten cut by liner locks opening in the pocket -- the ball detent has to be done just right to keep the blade closed. By contrast, the axis lock is a rock, it won't release until you put your fingers on the buttons and release it. The springs keep the blade solidly in the handle until you take it out.

    I'm not the only one around who feels liner locks are most suitable for gents' folders but not for using folders. The axis lock is far superior.

    Joe
     
  4. switch625

    switch625 S. S. Squirrel

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    the bm axis lock is the smoothest folder i've handled. get one, you'll be glad you did.
     
  5. ThinkOfTheChildren

    ThinkOfTheChildren C.E. Moderator

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    Well, they aren't Axis lock knives really. They are CS Ultra-Lock knives ;Q Basically, they are a sub-standard ripoff of the Axis.

    Okie,
    Here's a pic showing the mechanism (from Benchmade's site)
    <img src="http://benchmade.com/images/info/axis_lock_combo.gif">
     
  6. Joe Talmadge

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    I believe -- and don't quote me on this -- that Benchmade felt that the Ultralock violated their Axis license, Cold Steel eventually agreed, and now the Ultralock is produced by Cold Steel under license from Benchmade. So, the Ultralock isn't exactly an axis lock, but it's close enough to require a license.

    Joe
     
  7. ThinkOfTheChildren

    ThinkOfTheChildren C.E. Moderator

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    That's very intersting, Joe. I hadn't heard that. I heard that BM was considering legal action but never heard what the resolution was. Interesting that they allow it to continue and just collect license fees, however. After all, I thought they didn't want anyone using it, period. If CS required a license, I'm surprised BM didn't just force them to stop. Or maybe it was an out-of-court settlement: "You can keep using it, we won't challenge the design and whether or not it's a ripoff, but you have to give us cash."
     
  8. Joe Talmadge

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    I agree, it's an interesting development. Let me re-emphasize that I'm not 100% confident of my information here. But if it's true, I'm a little surprised about it, too. Who knows what's going on here. Could be that Les and Lynn are buds, and Les didn't want to totally hose Lynn.

    I'd also point out that quality-wise, I can't imagine those Cold Steel folders really posting a huge threat to Benchmade.

    Joe