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Discussion in 'Caliber Corner' started by ChrisD46, Jan 9, 2020.
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Dang it, my sarcasm has not done well on Glocktalk this weekend, I need to practice
Maybe I need to change the emoji???
Nope, need to delete it. I'm just gonna admit the mistake. Woooooops, I'm human, I F'ed up.
No dude it's not your sarcasm, it's that some on this forum can't grasp reality so sarcasm confuses them.
I actually re read his post and looked at mine again and realized I made a mistake. I am full of freaking sarcasm but I dont believe I can fix that.
I just put it under the ole belt as a learning experience, not to post something without reading carefully.
At this moment I need the "Reading Is Fundamental" jerks to come out.
Also I am just gonna leave it be and if someone takes the time to burn there eyes out with 10 + pages of this they can figure out I made a ass of myself.
Says the person who I guarantee has exactly ZERO practical experience in an actual gunfight.
Yes by the grace of God!
Or shot anything but paper. Practical field experience can dispel many myths like energy dump & shock or knock down. Even without fieLd experience though, just studying gunfights will show that the human body is pretty much excluded from shock & awe. Then again, some people do not want to know the truth, messes with their arm chair theory.
That is entirely fake news.
The FBI has plenty of carbines that they already use. And 9mm performance has increased exponentially since Miami. The FBI is also rarely involved in shootings these days.
The FBI is an investigative agency. So it is natural they would have the recourses & spend the money to test calibers & bullets & come to some sort of conclusion. Other agencies & civi can take what they want form the testing & their conclusions. It is certainly more valid than shooting 1gal water jugs or dirt or whatever in your backyard. The original testing gave us much better bullets in all calibers, certainly a good thing.
I sure wouldn't want to get shot with a 9MM 124+P. The best, probably not. I figure with a 9MM just keep shooting. I don't think many bad guys could take more than 2-3 gold dots or HST's.
I don't feel undergunned with my 9MM's with good bullets, GD, HST, XTP's.
This is true of any caliber. Shoot until the threat is down. IF that means the bad guy gets 5-6 rds before he falls, so be it. About how many 9mm you can land in 1.5sec.
And that is a fact.
I generally agree with you post. This is the only thing I take exception to. Having been involved in LE for 40 years and being a student of such things I have not seen this borne out. The bullets are certainly better at intermediate barriers than in the past. We never had problems with 357 magnums going thru barriers until the ridiculously light bullets started coming out. I was never even a fan of the 125 grn 357 mag when I carried one in harms way. I carried 145 GRN STHP's.
Because usually the decisions are made by people who never carried a pistol into harms way.
That is an overly simplistic view. Or maybe I just overthink it.
9mm carbines stink for reliable feeding - every single IDPA event I attend there are always one or two reliability / jamming issues with 9mm carbines during a course of fire - doesn't matter who the brand is (from Sig on down) : 9mm carbine reliability stinks and NO way I would trust my life to one !!
Over the years, I owned three 9mm carbines. A Marlin, a HiPoint, and a Norinco Uzi.
The Marlin jammed a few times, and I quickly traded it away.
The HiPoint and Uzi were faultless through thousands of rounds each. Slow fire, rapidfire, and with ammo ranging from white box FMJ to +P+ JHPs...didn’t matter, they just shot and shot and shot.
Yes, the 10mm AUTO is still the correct answer.