Yeah, I understand what you are saying, and sorry if I came off as unnecessarily pedantic or antagonistic. My point (which I was not very good at articulating) was there is a difference between true shall issue where a permit must be issued to any person who meets the age, training and criminal background check requirements and virtual shall issue where an applicant must meet a subjective additional "good cause" and "good moral character" requirement is more than just semantics. Even the most liberal (in a classical sense) sheriff in CA has the ability to deny an applicant for any capricious reason whatsoever even if in practice this rarely occurs. Hope that makes more sense. I'm not ragging on CA or Californians.