Licensing in the Philippines

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  1. turtle03

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    Can somebody point me towards some information on gun licensing for the Philippines? I'm looking into getting a handgun for my wife (Filipino/dual citizen). I'm a permanent resident here (American), but not a citizen so I can't get a license.

    Here's what I've been able to get searching around (and I'm not sure if it's correct, some of it may be old or misinformation, so please correct me).

    You can license 1 handgun (9mm or .38 or smaller caliber) and 1 long gun. This doesn't require any membership in a gun club/shooting range.

    If you want a larger caliber handgun you need to have a membership in a gun club/shooting range. I'm also not clear if this membership also allows you to license more guns.

    In either case, you have to pay P2,000+ a year to renew the license for each gun, and you have to initiate the renewal every year.
     
  2. Eye Cutter

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    there was an old thread regarding licensing info for non-Pilipinos but i couldn't find it right now.

    click for the ->PNP Website

    hope you find more information there.

    let's wait for some of the more knowleageable members like Horge to chime in about licensing procedures.
     

  3. royal glockster

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    yes, you can license more guns if you are a gun club member. Correction, license renewal is not on yearly basis. It is renewable every two years. :cool:
     
  4. horge

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    Hi turtle03 :)

    Forget about that 1 handgun, 1 rifle limit. Excepting crew-served wepons, antitank weapons and the like (hey, that's what the present law says)... there is actually no limitation on caliber or actual number of firearms that a Filipino who meets pre-requisites can purchase and own.

    True. PNP-FED (Philippine National Police - Firearms & Explosives Division) is maintaining an obsolete requirement of gun-club membership for ownerhip of handguns with calibers larger than .38/9mm and rifles with calibers larger than .22 LR. Shotguns all the way up to 12 Ga. are good to go, though. Gun club memberships cost anywhere between P1,500 to P3,000+ a year.

    Your initial outlay for licensing a handgun would likely run over PhP 5,000 --with only around 2/3 of that amount actually reflected on official receipts issued, depending on who does the paper chase for you. From there you will spend about PhP 3,000 renewing your firearm license every 2 years.

    The Drug Test, Neuro-Psych Test, and Gun Safety Seminar are must-show engagements. All other requiremnts and clearances can be chased down by flunkies or 'runners' for hire.

    Typically, when you BUY a firearm here, the gun store will take care of all that for a premium over the actual permit cost.


    hth
    :)
    horge
     
  5. vimanas

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    question lang po, pag sinabi ba 1 handgun, 1 long gun.

    pasok yun M16 or any other automatic rifle?

    how about yun uzi & ingram?
     
  6. horge

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    Hi, Vimanas,

    The obsolete limitation of 1 long gun and 1 hand gun specifies

    -a rifle chambered for a cartridge no more powerful than .22 LR,
    (or a shotgun up to 12-ga.)

    -a handgun chambered for a cartridge no more powerful than a .38

    Again, our options caliber-wise, especialy for handguns, are more varied today.
     
  7. vimanas

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    thanks for the info. btw, is it legal for us to own uzis/ingrams kahit nasa haws lang?
     
  8. horge

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    Hi again, Vimanas
    We Filipino gun owners are enduring a contradiction these days :(

    Executive Order 194 (EO 194), issued 24 February 2000, reads in part:

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    NOW THEREFORE I, JOSEPH EJERCITO ESTRADA, President of the Republic of the Philippines,
    by virtue of the powers vested in me by law,do hereby order:

    Section 1. General Orders 7, 7-A, 7-B and 7-C which authorize certain individuals to
    possess and carry firearms, limit the number of firearms to be possessed,
    and regulate the operation of gun clubs, are hereby repealed.

    Section 2. Henceforth, all citizens of the Philippines may possess firearms of any type and/or caliber,
    Provided that such firearms are not classified as crew-served weapons (CSWs),
    light anti-tank weapons (LAWs), light machine guns (LMGs), anti-tank and anti-personnel
    recoilless rifles, bazookas, etc.;
    Provided further that such firearms are
    test-fired for ballistics, stenciled and properly licensed.

    -------

    EO 194 repeals General Order 7-B, which had mandated the "1 long-gun and 1 handgun" limit.
    EO 194 allows us to own M16's or M4's or FALs provided they are properly licensed.
    However...

    PNP-FED is the licensing agency and it is NOT issuing civilian licenses for automatics,
    Ayaw nila, though (as usual) there may be a number of well-greased exceptions.
    ;Q


    Bottom line:
    1. Licensing of brand-new automatics is prohibitively difficult.
    2. Renewal of old licenses for 'old' automatics is possible, usually
    coinciding with one of those annual Illegal-Firearms Amnesty periods.

    BTW, I feel those machine pistols you mentioned are overrated.
    I was allowed to hose from a 'baby' Uzi once, and hose is all I could do.
    For home defense, I think I'd be more confident with a hi-cap semiautomatic,
    or maybe a semiauto shotgun.

    :)
    hth
     
  9. Namron

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    Horge,

    How long it will take to get result of Drug,Neuro test after application are submitted? How long is the validity? Is 3 weeks enought to process all clearances for FA licensing?

    Thanks!

    igor:)
     
  10. horge

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    Hi Namron,

    The Drug, Neuro and Psych test results are valid for 3-6 months,
    depending on which test. They can be obtained very, very quickly.
    Piss test --for cannabinols & methamphetamines-- is done in an hour
    or so, remember to drink only water for several hous prior. The other
    tests, within a day or two, tops. The Gun Safety Seminar
    is fairly quick (and getting the certificate of attendance, even quicker, hehe).

    Your 'three weeks' total is going to be fantastic speed, though:
    what really eats up time is:

    -obtaining the pre-requisite documents from all over the
    city/municipality: Mayor's Clearance, Regional Trial Court Clearance,
    to a certain extent the DILG Directorate of Intelligence Clearance.

    -if your firearm is .357 or .40S&W upwards, getting membership in a gun club,
    and then a signed certificate of membership from said club.

    -the looooong line of firearms waiting to stenciled and shot
    (ballistic fingerprinting) at PNP FED.

    - the looooooooooooonger line of tested firearms waiting for final
    signatures: Chief, Firearms Licensing Branch, and then Chief, PNP-FED.

    - on top of it all, the honesty of the gun store you're dealing with:


    MAKE EFFIN' SURE YOU BUY YOUR GUN FROM AN HONEST STORE

    In the Philippines, you are generally buying sight-unseen.
    Meaning, you can't even visually inspect the firearm you are paying for,
    since virtually all firearms are stored with PNP-FED until sold.
    Ask for the pistol unit's serial number. They only need call the PNP-FED warehouse.
    If they have trouble producing it, and then entering said S/N into
    your license application form, the pistol they're selling you
    probably ISN'T there, and man, that's an open invite to heartbreak.

    Some hellhole hucksters out there will 'assure you' (to wit: LIE)
    that the pistol you just paid for is physically present at PNP-FED warehouse,
    then they try to blame PNP-FED for long delays in 'license processing',
    when actually the processing hasn't even begun: the pistol you paid for
    is still being ordered from the US or Israel, Austria or the Czech Republic,
    Croatia or Parang, Marikina!

    Yes, even our own Armscor can be a crapshoot, availability-wise.
    I once downpaid on a GI at a GunShow and was assured 4-5 weeks
    processing. Three months of "final signatures na lang, po" later,
    I found out the license application hadn't even been submitted.
    This was around the time that Armscor Precision in Nevada was
    hoarding up on GI/'RIA' pistols.

    The gun store that shafted me? Squires Bingham! ;g
    I'm not the only one --just cruise the US 1911 boards for Filipinos
    who have tender memories of Squires.

    Anyway, I cancelled my order with 'em and went with Starfire in Pasig,
    Got my gun and license a couple days late, 5 weeks total c/o George
    and Roman (now with Straight Shooter)

    P.B. Dionisio got me my BERSA Thunder 380 and license within four weeks,
    though that transaction involved buying their very last (display) unit,
    one I could actually see, and so KNEW was present in the Philippines.


    ***

    All this sight-unseen buying goes against all sense of fair business.
    Firearms are not cheap and consumers ought to be able to see what the
    heck they're investing so much money and time in... ESPECIALLY when
    gun-defects are not unknown, and proper warranty service is so bloody hard
    to avail of here.

    No exaggeration, but some buyers have had to wait over a year to get
    their guns, half downpayment or even full payment already made.

    :soap:


    Sorry for the long rant, Namron.... I do get carried away.
    What I really want to wish ya is
    Godspeed!

    ;c ;c ;c
     
  11. PMMA97

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    Namron,

    A good alternative is buying second hand units from BOGs. HTH
     
  12. Namron

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    PMMA97,

    Yes, I am also condering about that! But, I really don't know anything about legal papers transferring.So, I can not compare which way is easier & lesser times coz' I only have limited time in Manila, the most is 3 weeks.

    HORGE,

    Where can I apply for the Drug Test, Gun Safety Seminar, Neuro-Psychiatic Test? How about Court Clearance, where can I obtain this?
    3 weeks is only my annual leave, and need to return for work after that.So my plan is, process all necessary documents now and have another week vacation on January GunShow schedule to buy a gun?

    Thanks & Regards,

    namron
     
  13. horge

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    The bulk of the paperchase takes place AFTER buying the firearm,
    so if you were hoping to buy the gun at the GunShow, and then take possession
    of the gun and license before you leave that same January,
    I think you're SOL.

    You CAN get on the phone with a reputable gunstore (assuming they
    carry the firearm you want) and begin coordinating long-distance, so
    that the process of securing pre-requisite documents and clearances
    can begin long before you arrive:

    So long as there is a trusted family member/representative of yours
    here, and you're willing to eat the cost of FEDEX'ing application
    forms for your signature, thumbprint, etc... you might be able pull
    this off, initiating a sort of long-distance purchase, resulting in a
    much-minimized set of things you have to do and wait for, once you
    arrive.

    Course, it means you won't be buying at the gunshow, but rather much earlier.
    With the 12% eVAT in effect (and that as an excuse for gun prices
    jumping up disproportionately) by the time of the gunshow, you might
    not be too far off pricewise, anyway.

    I hope other BoG's can advise you, too.


    hth,
    horge
     
  14. Namron

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    HORGE,

    What if I buy a gun directly in PNP CRAME, do you think this will help me in easing all necessary documents? Any trusted/reputable Gun Store that you can recommend? How about the one in Makati Cinema Square, are they nice people to deal with?

    Regards,
    namron
     
  15. horge

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    I don't know that you can BUY a gun at Crame, though there's a bunch of
    hole-in-the-wall gunstores across the street from the camp.
    I don't think it would speed things up in any way.

    Also, there's a whole bunch of gunstores in MCS' basement.
    All I can offer is that I had no complaints about the speed with which Starfire and P.B. Dionisio got my guns and licenses to me.

    What kind of firearm are you thinking of buying anyway?
    That might narrow the choices, and then other BoGs can comment.
     
  16. turtle03

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    The information in this thread has been really useful... Thanks.

    I keep hearing about "Crame". What is this? Is it some place in Manila?

    Will this process be different in the Provence vs. Manila? Or would a local dealer in the Provence be able to take care of everything? Or is it really best just to make the trip to Manila to buy the gun?

    I'm thinking my wife would really like a G17 :)
     
  17. horge

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    Crame = Camp Crame, Philippine National Police HQ,
    in Quezon City, along EDSA. This is where PNP-FED is based.

    For Provincial licensing, I think you have to go through the
    Regional, Provincial or District Police Chief. Maybe fellow BoGs
    enjoying the fresher air of the provinces can say.
     
  18. Namron

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    horge,

    I really want to have .40 or .45 cal. ParaOrd or ARMSCOR.Before, I like .45 cal., but since most of the members here advice me to have .40 cal for future competition, I started to look for .40cal. Is transfer of ownership much easier than a brand new one in obtaining legal papers?

    Thanks,
    namron
     
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    you will still have to go to the same process as to getting a NIB FA.+ the deed of sale for transfer of ownership & other documentations.
    what's good about buying a used FA from a known individual/source is that your sure of what you are getting.
    what's bad is that you can't have the unit until the license is release. dahil pagkinuha mo yung unit sa tao na nagbinta na dipa na transfer sayo ang license ng boga, parehas kayo na matitimbog kung sakaling masita. ;f
     
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    sorry double tap!!;g ;g