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Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by frizz, Oct 28, 2012.

  1. Chris Brines

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    That's a good point. I never really thought of it that way. I guess there is a difference between liberals and progressives. It just seems to me liberals embrace the progressive mindset because they know most progressives in charge will likely give them what they want.

    You wanna know how I see communists like Barack Obama and others....well I see them as favoring criminals, because if you don't give criminals what they want, they get violent and/or demanding. Law abiding citizens and honest people won't loot or riot if they don't have their way, and the government can just take take take from us and they won't have to deal with any drama. They see people like us who want our rights and the fair share we have earned, as a nuisance, as "halting progress". But how much are we going to let them take is what I want to know. I personally already think the government takes more than enough money out of my check (regardless how anyone sees it, Obama's 2nd term is very likely to include tax increases on EVERYONE. Obamacare will include at least 7 new tax increases on the middle class), so I do not think they need to take more.

    And there is no doubt in my mind at this point that the Progressive Democrats aka Communists in Training, want nothing more than to disarm us. Just remember one thing.....the first generation to be disarmed will likely be the last armed generation in this country. I'll be damned if I am looked at in history as one of those who sat back and let that happen.
     
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  2. Chris Brines

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    One thing I can not wrap my mind around (because honestly, idk if I'm just on the "fringes" of society, but to me the 2nd Amendment was the biggest issue in this election. Economy is F'd and I don't really trust either party with it. All I know is the future is unpredictable and the last thing I need is my government telling me I can not have means to defend myself if all hell breaks loose when the economy collapses), is how liberals, well, Democrats, who are strongly pro gun, can vote for Obama or any democrat, knowing that he and other Democrats have openly announced their intentions of violating the 2nd Amendment.

    I mean Feinstein already said just 2 days ago she fully intends to introduce a bill banning all "assault weapons", pistol grips, and magazines holding more than 10 rounds. Obama has openly announced his support for the UN Arms Trade Treaty just a few days ago. And he has already appointed 2 anti gun SCOTUS justices, who came within 1 vote of stripping us of our right to bear arms completely, and there will be 3 or 4 more seats to fill in the coming years.

    Do Democrats still truly believe their candidates are not anti gun? Or do they just not care? I can't figure it out, to be honest with you. All I hear is about Romney's AWB, well Romney is gone, and honestly his AWB paled in comparison to Obama's Illinois Senator voting record, and his intentions for the 2nd Amendment in the not so distant future. Am I misinterpreting this or something? Because I know there are quite a few very pro gun far left democratic liberals, and I just can not understand how they can support someone who favors gun control to such a great extent.
     

  3. ShakyDave

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    Republicans and conservatives, by and large, oppose gun restrictions, but the Republican Party is out of power for the foreseeable future. Fact of life. Our gun rights hinge on what those Liberals do with the reins of power. All is not lost, though, because an astounding number of liberal Democrats such as me have more power to influence politicians than all the fulminating NRA press releases and threats combined. Example: last year a candidate for office was seeking my support and started blathering about recent legislation opening gun ownership, "My God, it's horrible!" And I explained that I was a life member of the NRA and a concealed carry holder and a serious shooter (12,000 rounds per annum) and if she expected my support she had better revise her stand on guns. And it disappeared from her campaign literature.

    In short, every politician I know would sell his/her soul for a vote or a buck. They all have adopted "elected official" as a career track and they gotta have support. It's us gun-toting liberals who have the drag to keep their grubby fingers off 2A, and the more of us there are, the safer our guns.

    My suggestion is to pick out some liberal guy or gal and invite them to go shoot. You might get a surprise because some of us shoot real good. The target audience, though, is the ones who have never fired a gun before. I've never met man or woman who didn't have a barrel of fun at the range and come away with an adjusted attitude. Education on guns is the key.

    Now I have to go slap a new MagPul butt on my AR.
     
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    Now that I've read the rest of the thread, I think I can safely say I'm a hardcore liberal and hardcore gun owner. Also ancient - back in 1968 I was at a cocktail party in DC and spent most of the evening arguing against Sen. Joe Tydings on gun control. Didn't move him an inch but he lost his seat by sponsoring the firearms registration act. Take my word for it, there are some serious hardcore liberals who are also shooters. We just either join forums and don't talk our politics or visit forums, see that everybody despises us, and never go back. When an elected official gets a call from supporters who express a strong opinion, they listen. The NRA has limited power over Democrats because over the years they have become a Republican organization. Nothing wrong with that but as they say in politics, "you dance with the one what brung you."

    And over the next four years I'm going to be watching out for an assault weapons ban. I see that issue as low hanging fruit but its way down the list. One more mass shooting, though, and it will be front burner stuff, and watch out. And I'm going to keep writing checks to Democrats because when they get my call I want them to pick up the phone.
     
  5. dango

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    Bi and very confused.........! :supergrin:
     
  6. Chris Brines

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    I did that yesterday. Brought two people (married couple, confirmed Obama supporters, the guy was actually born here in Houston but spent his life in Mexico City) from Mexico City who had never even held a gun in their hands to an outdoor range FULL of people in Houston. We all shot my Glock 26, my Ruger GP100, and my AR15. The guy had a blast, literally. His wife was terrified lol....I kinda forgot to explain to her how to aim properly and she put a bullet in the roof of the target stand (or whatever you call that thing). I had told her how to aim the GP100 and I figured it would just transfer over to my Glock but I guess not. RO was pissed lol, but he was cool about it. Judging by the holes she was nowhere near the first to do that. But she didn't like it so much. She said the sound of the gunshots scared her and she's not going back. I said ok well at least now if the Zombie Apocolypse comes and you have a Glock sitting there waiting to pick off zombies with you'll know what to do with it haha. Like on Walking Dead ya know...

    Nahh but seriously, I've always agreed with liberal views, I just always said they were unrealistic. Meaning unachievable. For example, well let's face it, the Brady Campaign are liberals. They want to decrease gun violence (I agree), but their suggestion for how to do that I strongly disagree with. I also disagree with the notion that we need to keep forking over billions in entitlements to people who refuse to lift a finger. I am all for drug testing of welfare recipients. I am all for welfare, it is there for a reason. But abuse of it can really end up screwing everyone in the end. I am pro life, and do not think gay marriage is "right" but really don't think it's "wrong" either. I don't take a stance on it but I don't think a religion should be pressured into accepting a view that goes against their principles from thousands of years. I have no problem with the state recognizing gay marriage.

    Really, like I said, I get along with liberals as long as "issues" are not discussed. I just see some of the most radical of liberal ideologies (or maybe progressive? I'm guessing Progressives are the statists, like Rahm Emanuel, Micheal Bloomberg, and Diane Frankenstein) and actions being given credibility, being implemented, and opposition of them being criticized.

    For example....how do you feel about the Massachusetts judge a few months back who ordered a tax payer funded sex change for a man serving a life sentence for 1st degree murder? If it were up to me 1st degree murder would come with a death sentence. Found guilty, sentenced to death. Allow ONE appeal and then hang them right outside the courthouse. THAT is how you discourage crime.
     
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    I've never equated pro-gun and anti-gun with Republicans and Democrats because, believe me, I know plenty of cherry-red Republicans who freak out over guns. I've literally seen Republican men refuse to stay in a room with a pellet rifle propped in a corner. And for Christ's sake, BRADY AND HIS WIFE ARE REPUBLICANS! They didn't switch parties when Jim caught the .22 in the head. They just launched on a campaign to suck up all the guns in America. I seriously doubt the current administration is going to start restricting guns in any way because 1) the public won't stand for it, 2) they know as soon as it becomes more than a suspicion, gun sales shoot through the roof, and 3) every realistic politician knows that the subject is toxic. Just ask Al Gore, who lost the presidency over his often articulated intention to expand the assault weapons ban.
     
  8. N4LP

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    And we know a liberal judge would never stop a ban on guns just like we know a conservative judge would never allow Obamacare. No thought required...we just know.
     
  9. Clutch Cargo

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    There ARE liberals that believe in the Constitution.
     
  10. fnfalman

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    All I know is that supposedly "pro-gun" Republican Presidents have banned more guns than the supposedly "anti-gun" Democrat Presidents.

    Go figure.
     
  11. RicoGordo

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    Doing this makes guns familiar and the fear of the unknown is a huge factor in the fear. Even if they are just popping cans with a .22, they can have fun.

    Even if you don't fully "convert" an anti, you usually at least reduce their level of opposition. Turning an anti into a pro is the best, but if an anti merely reduces his/her "fervor" for gun control, that is less push for grabbers.

    That is better than nothing. I read article on CNN that mention the general change in attitude of the public toward firearm rights. More and more people who do not want to own guns are supporting the right to own them.
     
  12. RicoGordo

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    This is not accutate. The extreme stinky hippies were the fringe. Most of the "doves" who wanted to end US involvement in Vietnam did not support the communists. They just didn't see it as worth the sacrifice more of our men.
     
  13. RicoGordo

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    You just changed another attitude! Weakened support for gun control at least, and maybe you won someone who will push for gun rights.

    Our job is to change minds.
     
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  15. frank4570

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    The repubs should just say that they don't want the votes of anybody who is pro choice, or pro pot, or non christian, just get it over with. And hispanics, or blacks, don't want them either.

    Oh, and goths.
     
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