LEOSA in Michigan... wow, we're as bad as Hawaii re: LEOSA "requirements"

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  1. steveksux

    steveksux Massive Member

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    Stumbled onto some interesting stuff regarding out of state officers under LEOSA and what MI thinks they can/cannot do.
    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mcoles/web_info-faq_339816_7.pdf
    6. Can I carry a concealed firearm under a LEOSA Certificate in a bar or a casino? No, you may not carry under a LEOSA Certificate in a bar or a casino. If you hold a Michigan Concealed Pistol License that designates you as exempt from pistol free zone restrictions, you may carry in a bar; however, you may not carry concealed weapons in a Michigan casino under a LEOSA Certificate or a Michigan Concealed Pistol License.

    I think this is wrong, LEOSA overrides any state laws regarding carry zones, except those that allow govt entities to set rules, as well as private businesses to control their own property. Thoughts? The bar or casino can prohibit you from carrying under LEOSA, the state of Michigan cannot if I am understanding LEOSA correctly.

    And this also struck me as ridiculous as Hawaii's "requirements" before people covered by LEOSA can actually carry in Hawaii.

    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mcoles/web_info_339825_7.pdf
    The following information is for former law enforcement officers residing in Michigan who wish to apply for authorization to carry a concealed firearm pursuant to the Michigan Retired Law Enforcement Officer’s Firearm Carry Act, MCL 28.511-527. The law enables qualified law enforcement officers to carry under the provisions of the federal Law Enforcement Officer’s Safety Act (LEOSA) and Michigan law.

    Ahhhh... NO. You need your retired ID and current qual to carry under LEOSA. MI can pound sand if you don't have their certificate, right?

    This document outlines the process by which former law enforcement officers who reside in Michigan may make application to MCOLES to obtain a LEOSA certification that verifies a person’s authorization to carry a concealed firearm in interstate travel.

    WTF, OVER????? Michigan's certificate is not even required in MI to carry under LEOSA, let alone being binding on other states during interstate travel. It's not worth the paper it's printed on anywhere else.

    Randy
     
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    http://www.michigan.gov/documents/mcoles/LEOSA_RENEWAL_PROCESS_348251_7.pdf

    One good thing about the MI LEOSA certificate, and it's renewal...

    The applicant should contact the Training/Test center to schedule the training and testing to fulfill the requirements of the program.  Pay the Training/Test Center a fee of $95.00.  Provide your own weapon and ammunition (50 rounds in the event a re-shoot is required) for qualification. The applicant shall then demonstrate compliance with the MCOLES Active Duty Firearms Standard. Upon successful compliance, a LEOSA certificate/identification card will be mailed to the retiree, which is valid for one year.

    It does provide a mechanism for out of state retired LEO to qualify yearly in MI, some states don't, some agencies won't qual their former employees.

    Randy