Legal civilian suffers AGAIN!!!

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  1. romram

    romram

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    BWI sheet!!!

    why not go after those loose firearms of criminals and police alike(wag tayo plastic: there are those with MO's and MR's which are also recycled loose firearms)

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    PNP 'recycled' order: Get those loose firearms

    Posted 11:32pm (Mla time) April 15, 2005
    By Luige del Puerto
    Inquirer News Service

    Editor's Note: Published on page A1 of the April 16, 2005 issue of the Philippine Daily Inquirer

    AUTHORITIES are cracking down again on owners of unregistered firearms and private armed groups nationwide, apparently in reaction to the broad-daylight murder of former Pasig City Rep. Henry Lanot on Wednesday.

    Philippine National Police Director General Arturo Lomibao announced yesterday in a statement that field commanders had been directed to immediately "intensify the campaign against loose firearms and the dismantling and arrest of private armed groups, unauthorized bodyguards and armed goons."

    President Macapagal-Arroyo ordered the PNP on Thursday to "come up with a special order of battle for guns for hire and to check the proliferation of loose firearms that allow these heinous killings to be planned and executed."

    But ban-the-gun crusader Nandy Pacheco described the move as palliative and recycled.

    "This is an old song," Pacheco said. "They do that every time something like this (Lanot's murder) happens. We are just being fooled."

    Some 800,000 guns are registered in the country, the Inquirer said in an earlier report, quoting PNP records in 2004. But the number of unlicensed firearms has grown.

    As of the end of 2004, there were 149,501 unregistered firearms nationwide, with the Autonomous Region in Muslim Mindanao accounting for 50,000, the biggest number, according to records of the PNP Firearms and Explosives Division (FED).

    Lomibao ordered policemen to descend on such public places as night spots to confiscate guns and set up "round-the-clock checkpoints" and visibility patrols in populated areas.

    He also instructed the Directorate for Intelligence and the FED to prepare, respectively, "an updated watch list of suspected holders of loose firearms" and a list of gun holders with unrenewed licenses.

    Like what has been done in Abra province, Lomibao ordered regional directors to report mayors or governors who had abused their authority to control and supervise policemen.

    He also told the Police Security and Protection Office and other units to immediately recall PNP personnel serving as security to "individuals not covered by existing regulations."

    FED chief Senior Supt. Arturo Cacdac told the Inquirer on the phone: "We will comply. We will have the list in a few days."

    Toy guns

    Even toy guns will no longer be allowed, Executive Secretary Eduardo Ermita said in an interview with dzRH radio, quoting reports that some criminals had resorted to using replicas.

    "We want to put a stop to the proliferation of toy guns, which is why the President has given a strong order to the PNP and the Armed Forces," he said.

    Ermita said the government had yet to decide whether to extend the amnesty granted to owners of unregistered firearms-a reference to Ms Arroyo's executive order on Dec. 13, 2004, which said the amnesty period would last until Sept. 30.

    He said Malacañang would wait for the recommendation of the National Police Commission and the Department of Interior and Local Governments.

    Ermita said the government also wanted to plug the entry points of smuggled firearms and ammunition.

    "As long as the smuggling of firearms and ammunition continues unabated, the crime rate will go up, or there might even be moves to destabilize the government," he said.

    He also said a total shake-up of police forces in all regions would be enforced.

    "We have made an example of Abra, where the entire police force from the provincial director to the police chief has been replaced because of lawlessness arising from ... policemen acting as a private army of some mayors," Ermita said.

    "A revamp will be implemented in areas where there is a breakdown in peace and order," he said.

    Interior Secretary Angelo Reyes sacked the 529-strong Abra police force on Tuesday, saying it had failed to enforce laws and keep the peace in the province.

    Culture overhaul

    Pacheco said nothing short of a total overhaul of culture would stop the current wave of killings with journalists, militant activists and now politicians as targets.

    For starters, he said, a law enforcing a strict gun ban in public places should immediately be passed. He said this would mean that only uniformed soldiers and policemen on duty would be allowed to carry firearms in public.

    "This way, you do not have to wait for someone to shoot somebody [before enforcing a gun ban]," Pacheco said.

    The sale and display of firearms in stores should also stop, he said, citing the case of a gun store in San Juan that supposedly blatantly advertised the sale of long firearms.

    Pacheco said all guns seized should be destroyed in public view, and tinted windows should not be allowed in vehicles.

    But this change has to start from the top, with the President and lawmakers leading the country toward a "culture of life," Pacheco said.

    No more displays

    Lomibao has in fact also banned the display of high-powered firearms and other military weapons in gun stores and shows nationwide.

    In a memorandum to the FED and Civil Security Group, a copy of which was shown to the Inquirer, Lomibao said it was "understood" that imported high-powered firearms were only for "qualified end users, like the military, police and other law enforcement [agents]."

    Shooting competitions must exclude the category of high-powered firearms, per Lomibao's directive. This means that owners of long firearms can no longer carry these to a competition, or even take these outside their homes without a permit to carry (PTC) issued only by the PNP chief.

    "And I don't think the PNP chief will issue a PTC [for long firearms]," Cacdac said.

    The reason is simple, said PNP Deputy Director General Oscar de Leon, deputy chief for operations, who had recommended the issuance of Lomibao's memorandum.

    Civilians "should only have shotguns," De Leon said. "We don't want other areas in the country to be like Abra."

    Special authority

    Cacdac said displaying high-powered firearms had traditionally been banned.

    But on some occasions, as in the gun show at the SM Megamall last year, the firearms industry was given "special authority" to display assault rifles.

    "But now, we will stop that too," Cacdac said.

    Certain persons have been allowed to register high-powered firearms under the PNP's amnesty program. Once licensed, they can bring the guns outside their homes with the issuance of a permit to transport (PTT).

    "A PTT is very specific, issued so a gun owner can carry his gun to a competition," Cacdac said.

    Banned firearms

    The other time a PTT is issued is when a long firearm is brought to the PNP headquarters to be licensed.

    De Leon had this message to the firearms industry: "Your survival must depend on short firearms, not long firearms."

    Long firearms banned from commercial use include M16 rifles, Bushmasters, AK47s and other weapons classified as assault rifles.

    With a report from Gil C. Cabacungan Jr.
     
  2. 9MX

    9MX Rei!

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    Bystander killed in cops’ shootout
    By Nestor Etolle
    The Philippine Star 07/08/2005

    The streets of Tondo, Manila became a virtual war zone yesterday morning when feuding policemen opened fire at each other, resulting in the death of a bystander and triggering panic among residents.

    The five-minute shootout, which took place at the corner of Panday Pira and F. Varona streets in Tondo, ended only after heavily armed officers from the Western Police District arrived.

    The arrested policemen were identified as PO2 Bayani Nery, 29, of the Western Criminal Investigation and Detection Group; PO1 Virgilio Sunga, 35, detailed at PRO in Southern Tagalog; PO3 Vicente Sunga Jr., 37, of the Central Police District; and PO3 Enrico Sunga, 39, of the Western District Traffic Office.

    Despite the firefight, the four policemen were unscathed.

    Seized from them were four caliber .9 mm Beretta pistols and four rifles.

    The lone fatality was identified as Rodolfo Hernandez, 43, a pedicab driver, of Panday Pira street, Tondo.

    He died while undergoing treatment at the Mary Johnston Hospital for a gunshot wound in the body.

    Residents said the victim was hit by a stray bullet from one of the officers.

    Investigators said Nery was about to park his car in front of his house when it was blocked by the car of Virgilio.

    A verbal altercation followed, with Virgilio threatening to come back after Nery pointed his gun at him.

    Minutes later, Virgilio came back with his cousins — all of them policemen. They were armed with handguns and rifles.

    A shootout then ensued, with Nery firing from inside his house, alternately using his pistol and a rifle.

    The entire neighborhood was thrown into panic and chaos as bullets rained from all sides.

    Residents said the fatality was caught in the crossfire.

    Sunga’s group, however, had a different version of the shooting incident.

    He said Nery fired first, but failed to hit him, prompting him to call his cousins for backup. The cousins said Nery was aided by his hired goons who were also firing at them.

    Nery filed charges of frustrated homicide against the three policemen, even as all four of them are set to undergo paraffin tests. Their firearms would be subjected to ballistic tests to determine which of them hit the victim.


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    Of all people :(


    I really think the government should be disarming somebody else, definitely not responsible pistoleros like us.
     

  3. mikey177

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    I wonder what part of "To serve and protect" those cops don't understand :(
     
  4. Eye Cutter

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    involved yung dalawang Sunga brothers?!?! Si Vic and Enrico (Jun) e mga seasoned ipsc shooters. Kilala ko yung 2 yun. Tahimik lang and hindi mayayabang. I believe that they know better than what the story is saying.

    Remember kasama natin si Jun Sunga last level 2 shoot sa bustos?
     
  5. 9MX

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    hmmm..I didn't know that they were IPSC shooters. team pb sila doc?
     
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    I know Vic Sunga, he's a pretty good guy.

    I even asked him if i could practice with him at the range in tondo. And he said he'll be glad to teach me some pointers.

    Vic Sugna is a member of team CPD when there used to be a BATTLE OF 7 in Karingal.
     
  7. Eye Cutter

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    si Jun Sunga yung kasabay natin. naka orange shorts and team pb uniform. siya nga nag champion sa standard division.
     
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    Wow! ;P ;P ;P
     
  9. doctabako

    doctabako Gun Aficionado

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    Then that guy PO2 Nery is lucky to come out of it alive.
    Wonder who's telling the truth about that incident though. They're all police officers and should have known better than to shoot it out in the streets on a minor altercation. Only Ryan Jawo does that;a
     
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    oo nga e, they should have known better! another blow to responsible gun owners!
     
  11. 9MX

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    not in this case, its a big blow to the dwindling credibility of the PNP;P
     
  12. PMMA97

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    Tsk tsk. And these are the people whom the government want to protect us.
     
  13. darwin25

    darwin25 Make your move

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    Well if ununiformed police and soldiers cannot be trusted to carry guns in public, why should we trust them to carry guns in uniform.???


    READ: We dont want the citizen to have the capacity and capability to resist and defend themselves from hooligan cops and soldiers in uniform or local bullies who act as our "assets" who are out to victimize them. And we dont want them either to have the capacity and capability to defend themselves against abusive governments and people who are in power,
     
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    To serve and protect thier own crooked interest.

    Mikey177 nice avatar Voltes Bazooka.;f
     
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    When my brother was applying in the PNP, he met a guy whose main reason why he wanted to be a police officer is because he cannot find a job!!! I wondered then what kind of policeman he would turn out to be. For me, the police profession is like a vocation. You never stop to be a police officer even if you're not on duty. It means that a police officer should always act and behave in accordance to the law that he/she has sworn to uphold. Only dedicated people can do this and people who prabably have dreamt of becoming police officers...not the boy/girl next door who doesnt have a job and makes the PNP a final option.

    So what happened to the guy ?

    My brother works here in Manila and the training is in Olivas Pamp so the two of them had an agreement that he will text my bro of when the training will start (they had a pact to help each other survive the training). My brother wasn't able to join the training in his disappointment, since he came a week late after knowing (from me) that the training had already started. He saw the guy standing on attention while having a head count. When he had a chance, he approached the guy and asked why he didn't text or call? The answer...he did not forget my bro but he just did not have any load at that time (& dyahe makitext)...1 peso is all it takes to text someone! So in short, linaglag na si bro. Well...its my bros fault din anyways for not being mas ma abilidad in the first place...but the thing is, the guy is not in it to be a police officer, his just in it to get a job. Hope he changes or he looks for another job because we (the poeple they swear to protect) will be at the loosing end nanaman.

    Regards to All
     
  16. horge

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    O, sigue...
    Everyone start arming up with 12-ga. mag fed
    shotguns, hopped up on solid, rifled slugs.
    I'm sure the cops will feel safer, then...
    ;Q
     
  17. cebuboy

    cebuboy toy soldier

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    eh sir, ang mahal na yata ng rifled slugs ngayon. at 50 bukos a round for the winchester super x vs 10 pisos for the 5.56 m193:)