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Lee micro charge bar?

Discussion in 'Reloading' started by sjones, Mar 25, 2010.

  1. sjones

    sjones Millennium Member

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    I know this will probably sound stupid but I just got my classic turret in and have it all assembled except for this little bugger.How does it go in to the auto disc powder dropper?I can see its shell activated but how does it go in?Thanks a lot guys.sj
     
  2. D. Manley

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    Take a good look at how the discs go in. The powder bar will fit the same way. FWIW, I found the disc easier to deal with than the micrometer bar.
     

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    sjones Millennium Member

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    Thanks,but I finally figgured it out. sj
     
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    WiskyT Malcontent

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    The micrometer bar was a bust for me. Even with Bullseye it wouldn't throw small chrages. For bigger charges I use the regualr discs, they are close enough for me. I got the micro disc kit but haven't had a chance to try it yet. I use a home made dipper for 32ACP, but I figured the micro disc thing would be easier. I'll use it for Bullseye, 1.5 grains.
     
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    Just be very carefull with low CC charges. Bulkier powders and bigger charges sould work ok. But test it to be sure. I would probably start with the disc's, get comfortable and familiar then work up to using the adjustable bar.
     
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    GioaJack Conifer Jack

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    Little Stevie is determined to get everyone talking in terms of CC's instead of grains. It's a little known fact that he was the impetus to force the country to change for decimal to the metric system. How'd that work out for ya Stevie?

    Don't feel too bad... if you ever run into Richard Lee you'll have a titillating conversation over a cup of steaming hot Earl Grey tea. :whistling:

    Jack
     
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    What your missing is that bar doesn't like low CC charges. It could care less what the weight is, it just does not like the low cc/volume charges. So it would probably work much better with Solo 1000 then TG loading to the same FPS simply because SOLO 1000 is so bulky and TG is not.

    Edit: Solo1000 and TG use about the same gr charge to get the same FPS in 9mm.
     
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    sjones Millennium Member

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    Well,I've got it set up for 4.6 grains of win 231.It seems to be pretty consistant.My books say 4.4 to 4.8 so I picked a happy medium.I loaded 15 125 grain jacketed.I'll go to the range and see how they shoot.I reloaded for about 5 years,but then got out for about 3 years.But I got tired of going to wally world and being told no man we haven got any 9mm.check back next week.Yeah,right.
     
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    The "Adjustable Charge Bar" is different than the "Micro Disk". I though the OP was talking about the Micro Disk. The adjustable one is kind of pointless in my view. It doesn't work well, if at all, with small charges and the whole point of the conventional disks is that they don't need to be adjusted. I pop in a given disk and get a given charge. I know that X cavity yields Y grains of powder Z. As long as I'm using powder from the same jug and it's not a max load, I don't even weigh it. The cavity that throws 3.5 grains of Bullseye out of my 4# jug will always throw that amount. If the max load is 5.0 of Bullseye, I know the 3.5 charge is so far into the safe zone that I don't need to weigh it. I just go based on my notes.

    If I have to keep tinkering with an adjustment to get it to 3.5, and then have to adjust it again to get it to throw 4.0, it's more work.

    The micro disk caught my attention after I started loading 32ACP. I just want a load that will run the gun reliably and 1.5 Bullseye will do it. I use a dipper made from a 22 case. Every once in a while I get a light charge that will stovepipe. I'm hoping that the appropriate cavity on the micro disk will solve that problem and make charging a little faster/easier.
     
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    Lee does actually call it an "Adjustable Charge Bar" but goes on to state it has a "zero backlash micrometer'. I'd say it takes a bit of hyperbole to call that a micrometer.
     
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    I agree with useing the micro disk for the .32 acp.

    However, I use the .24 cc hole with ww 231 (2.4 grains) powder and a 71 grain bullet.

    I found the same .24cc hole gives about the same velocity with bullseye (maybe 2.2 grains) as it does with ww 231.

    But my S&B ammo is faster. I considered more powder in my handloads, but my (wifes) P32 cycles very well with the .24 cc load.
    -- S&B factory gave me 850 fps ave
    -- 2.3 gr of 231 gave me 755 fps ave
    -- 2.1 gr of BE gave me 722 fps ave
    -- 1.66 gr of BE gave me 582 fps ave
    -------The P32 failed to cycle when velocity was under 600 fps

    How you got 1.5 grains of BE to cycle your gun is a surprise to me.


    JerryO
     
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    Adjustable charge bar was a waste of money IMO. It almost never throws a consistent charge of anything. The micro disks are a much better option, but still not perfect, because you can't always get EXACTLY what you want. There are ways of modifying disks that are much more accurate than that stupid charge bar and give you in-between's you can't get with micro disks.
     
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    I got the classic turret yesterday with the disc's.Do I have to have something in order to use both disc;s at the same time? I set it up with the charge bar.Thanks. sj

    Never mind,I looked it up and saw That I needed to order a double disc kit,which I did.Maybe this will be easier than trying to get the charge bar set just right.I learn something new everyday.Thanks guys.
     
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    Hey you guys are right,it is a lot easier using the disc's rather than the charge bar.Thanks guys. sj
     
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    I'm using the Lee 93 grain RN mold which drops the bullets at 95 grains with range scrap. A noted firearms expert has shot gazzillions of that and other 95 grain bullets in all manner of 32ACP pistols with 1.8 grains of Bullseye. I figure if 1.8 is okay, 1.5 should be more okay. I wanted the lightest load that would cycle the KT P32 since I don't think much else matters for 15 yard training with that gun. I have no idea what the service life of the gun is, but the less battering I put on it, the better. 1.5 runs the gun as long as it's 1.5, but using a dipper, it's not hard to get the occasional light charge. I've had maybe 2 out of the 150 rounds I've loaded. The gun fired fine, but failed to cycle all the way.

    I figure I can get more precision with the micro disk. I haven't played with it yet, but if I can get a cavity that always throws 1.5 or 1.6, I'll have 100% reliability.

    I agree that 231 should meter better in very small charges, but I used up my only # of it and don't see any reason to buy more unless the Bullseye won't meter well. My guess is that the BE will meter well enough and I have data for it with the heavier than normal bullet I'm using. To me, 231 and BE serve the same purposes and I'm use to BE for lots of other things.

    I haven't clocked the 1.5 BE load. It "feels" the same as factory ball but I'm sure it's much slower. The gun is carried with S&B ball.

    Thanks for the chrono data on the S&B, I'm guessing thats ball ammo?
     
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    Lee, hyperbole? NEVER!!!