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LAHSO Question.

Discussion in 'The Okie Corral' started by Wulfenite, Sep 24, 2004.

  1. Wulfenite

    Wulfenite The King

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    Came up in class last night. Instructor didnt know the answer.

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    You accept a LAHSO clearance. On short final you the runway becomes fouled (car, plane, dog, bird on runway, micro burst or whatever)and you cant land. The frequency is too busy to get in before you need to take evasive action (go around across hold shor area, or turn off runway heading, or whatever). What action is least dangerous and least likely to run you afoul the FAA? Would this even be a FAR violation?
     
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    The situation that you are describing is not specific to LAHSO operations. Any time that it is unsafe to land, whether for a runway incursion or other events which may make a landing unsafe, a go around/rejected landing is required. LAHSO only requires that the aircraft be able to land and clear a runway prior to reaching a crossing/intersecting runway.
     

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    But that last part is what gets you in trouble. Presumably there's traffic on that crossing runway. The LAHSO is a restriction to not only keep you off that active runway but, presumably the airspace above it. What would normally be "your" protected go-around airspace on a regular landing is now someone elses.
     
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    If you have to go-around during LAHSO operations, the burden for aircraft separation falls on you. When you accept a LAHSO clearance, tower must advise you if you are LAHSOing for a departure or an arrival. Thus you should already know (by being advised by the tower, as well as by looking) where the potentially conflicting traffic is.
     
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    Ah, that's good to know. So you just get it in your head that your "missed approach" procedure will either be a turn down runway for landing traffic, or up runway for TO'ing traffic.
     
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    Stuckinhell (great name) is right but your follow-up assumption is not. LAHSO is a "ground" operation (eg LAND and hold short....). If you are not in a position to execute a safe/controlled landing...go around. No big change in rules here. Don't fly into another aircraft. That's always up to the PIC. DO NOT get to technical about what the "right" thing to do is when you are given a LAHSO clearance that you cannot comply with. Go missed (A) and don't hit the other plane (B). If you need a memory tool: Aviate, navigate, communicate...always in that order. If you want to meet the local FAA, simply accept a LAHS clearance and then overrun the hold short point. "Gold Seal" CFII/MEI.
     
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    Thanks for the reply n1phan. I'm taking the class to work on a BGI rating so I'm trying to dig a little deeper on the stuff than is normally required.

    Been working on FOI stuff all week. My head hurts. Its like a really boring Readers Digest Version of Phych 101 but with more Phychology buzz words and fewer useful explainations. Its kind of ironic that the FAA's attempt at teaching you to teach is barely learn-able.
     
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    Reminds me of a LAHSO close call at ORD. A UAL 737 was landing on 27L while a Speedbird 747 was taking off 14R. The 737 was cleared to land on 27L to H.S. of 14R. The tower controller was watching the 737 when he realized that the it won't be able to hold short. He started yelling at the 747 to abort. The 747 was able to stop but blew all his tires and had a tire fire. I remember listening to the tower tapes and how panicked the controller sounded while the BA chap responded in his calm British accent "Can you send fire trucks? We might very well have a brake fire here."