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Kroger sued over suspect's fatal shooting during robbery attempt

Discussion in 'Carry Issues' started by IndyGunFreak, Jul 20, 2012.

  1. IndyGunFreak

    IndyGunFreak

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    This is interesting.

    The plaintiff is saying Kroger is negligent for failing to enforce it's "no guns policy" on its employees. So if Kroger did not have a "no guns poilcy" then it would seem there should be no liability?

    I doubt this goes anywhere. The amount is small enough that Kroger will likely just settle, which sucks.

    http://www.indystar.com/article/201...robbery?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|IndyStar.com
     
  2. Berto

    Berto woo woo

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    Nope. It was bad victim selection.
    Policy or not, there's a fair percentage of grocery folks who simply won't give a crap about a 'no guns' policy if they are scheduled to work nights or security shifts.
     

  3. Louisville Glocker

    Louisville Glocker Urban Redneck

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    Frivolous lawsuit. But for only 75K, yes, Kroger will probably just settle and be done with it.

    Because the employee acted legally, a store's internal policy should not be grounds for a lawsuit. But that would be far too logical for our legal system.
     
  4. Atomic Punk

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    So even though he came in to rob the place. kroger was supposed to keep him safe? :rofl:
     
  5. Drain You

    Drain You NRA member

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    The downtrodden need a hand up, leastwise she spit out a few more losers.
     
  6. Caver 60

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    I certainly hope Kroger does not simply settle this lawsuit by paying. This one needs to be fought tooth and nail Talk about wrong all the way. To bad the poor manager had to quit his job.

    State law apparently says: “No person in this state shall be placed in legal jeopardy of any kind whatsoever for protecting the person or a third person by reasonable means necessary.”
     
  7. SCmasterblaster

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    Could someone post the details of the shooting, please?
     
  8. whoflungdo

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    They should be worried about copy cat lawsuits if they don't fight this one and just pay to have the plaintiffs go away. That would start a dangerous precedent for them.

    Or here's a thought. Counter sue the family. Prove they knew he was in violation of his work release, that they knew there was a warrant out for him, and that they didn't turn him in or do everything reasonable to keep him from attempting to commit the armed robbery... Make them out to be conspirators...
     
  9. lethal tupperwa

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    should Kroger sue the parents for emotional distress caused by their felon of a son?
     
  10. Thx-1138

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    He didn't rob that place on his own. Somebody else did that.
     
  11. bleak_house

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    + 1

    I think this will never get old.
     
  12. janice6

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    Yeah. It took a village to rob the store.
     
  13. SouthernBoyVA

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    Kroger should seriously consider bringing a suit against the plaintiff on this one as well as their attorney(s). Turn the tables on them and make their life miserable. If I'm not mistaken, Denny's did this when they were hit with a bogus discrimination suit.
     
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  14. Deaf Smith

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    But if it had a no guns policy how did the robber get a gun in? Oh, right he didn't work there.

    Thank God I live in Texas cause here no jury would give them a dime.

    Deaf
     
  15. Paul53

    Paul53 All in all I'm just another brick in the wall.

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    A hand up or a foot up?
     
  16. Paul53

    Paul53 All in all I'm just another brick in the wall.

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  17. unit1069

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    I certainly hope Kroger has the cajones to fight this all the way to the end.
     
  18. IndyGunFreak

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    I don't think its going to go anywhere here in Indiana.

    I believe this lawsuit was cleverly crafted by the womans attorneys.

    The amount they are suing for, in the whole scheme of things.. is very very small. When you consider what Kroger's will spend in Attorney fees, they might just cut a check to get these idiots out of their hair. I firmly believe this is what the womans lawyers want Kroger to do. They'll get some easy coin in their pocket, this 70k won't even make a dent in Kroger's bottom line and the "grieving mother" will get probably 10-13k for the actions of her miscreant son.

    If Kroger fights, they will spend well over 70k in legal fees.

    This got me thinking maybe there should be some sort of protection for business owners under "Castle Doctrine" laws.. even if the business owner wasn't directly involved.
     
  19. janice6

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    It's always about the money.
     
  20. unit1069

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    Yes, but tort reform has to start somewhere and even if Kroger's legal fees are tripled that would still not put a dent into their bottom line, considering the principle at stake.

    This convicted felon was in the act of committing another armed robbery, and if the plaintiff has a beef her lawyer should have gone after the individual hero who prevented the plaintiff's son from harming innocent Kroger employees. Corporations, to my knowledge, do not have the right to frisk employees to determine if anyone's lawfully concealing a firearm (albeit against company policy). It's not as if an innocent person suffered from the errant employee's conduct, after all.

    If I was Kroger's CEO I'd begin filing counter lawsuits and turn this into a national issue. I have no doubt that with time and truth on my side the plaintiff would end up losing her fraudulent ploy for a "payday" at corporate expense. One of the chief reasons why "progressives" succeed in cowing individuals and organizations is because those entities don't have the nerve to fight back against neo-Stalinist tyranny as exemplified by the ACLU and Trial Lawyers Association.
     
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