Well the decision was made an I appreciate the replies. I went back to look at the Kimber from my local police shop. It's a Pro Carry HD II with night sights and ambi installed. 95% condition easily mo box one McComick 8 rounder. I go there a lot and it was 5 minutes AFTER closing. I aske if they could do anything more and he gave a price I didn't expect. So I buy it and go back to their range that closes three hours later. No problems with it and it shoots great. I'm really loving it. As for the Sig that one was new and I can get that at a later date. LOL. Watch out Bac I'm coming for ya. LOL.