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JHP vs. FMJ for competitive shooting?

Discussion in 'GSSF' started by DistantTea, Nov 17, 2004.

  1. DistantTea

    DistantTea Monkey Vendor

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    So for a while I'm going to be a White Box Baby since its the most readily available and cheapest for me right now. But last saturday I had a chance to fire some corbon JHP rounds in my G34. They had a much higher power factor than the WWB I was shooting all afternoon. Its hard to explain but after firing 200 rounds of my WWB and then shooting 10 rounds of the corbon JHP I felt like the Corbons were far more accurate and I was finding my followup shots much faster.

    Of course I'll be putting this to a test by buying a couple boxes of good JHP soon to run string to string against my vast collection of WWB.

    But it made me wonder enough to search around on the forums. I see lots of references to where many competitive shooters are firing JHP rounds. Sometimes just special reloads with JHP bullets but sometimes people mention they are using factory JHP rounds that I would have though unsuitable for competition. There must be a reason for it. So whats the skinny on FMJ vs. JHP as far as shootability and accuracy are concerned?
     
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    Having learned never to say never, I'm gonna watch this one as I may indeed start reloading for matches (practice & matches w/Blazer to this point). But most of those shooters I respect from the Gopher state next door also reload with JHP's (115 or 147's). Are JHP's just more commonly available as a bullet? Inherently more accurate? Expend energy on steel differently? What's the scoop? (Even those of you who accidentally get powder into the case...) ;f
     

  3. DaleGribble

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    I don't relaod so I can't afford to shoot JHP's, but supposedly the bullet packers swear that JHP's are more accurate.

    If anyone wants to donate to the Dale Gribble Needs a Dillon 1050 Fund I will be able to give a more definitive answer.
     
  4. Don At PC

    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    Hey Dale;

    A 1050 is great so I hear but a 550B will do all you need at 1/2 the initial cost. I have 2 Dillin 550B's , one set for 9mm and the other set for .45gap and I can load all I need in no time.;c ;c ;c
     
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    I do all my reloading and I have loaded both 9mm JHP/FMJ. Now in my stock G17/17L barrel I think the Remington 147gr FMJ Match Bullet is the most accurate. I load that bullet with 3.7gr. N330 and an OAL of 1.142. Now I also reciently put a Bar-sto barrel in my U/L G17L and in that barrel I honestly feel that a Zero 147gr JHP with 3.6gr. N330 and OAL of 1.155 is the most accurate. I don't really know the answer as to why. I think each barrel has it's own favorite bullet and by all means nothing works with out the shooters shooting ability. I am not a Master Class Shooter but shoot that class as fun but have learned alot by doing so. My comments are based solely on my personal experience. I personally know many shooters who can take the old standard Factory WWB or CCI Blazers and shoot circles around me but I enjoy shooting and reloading and try to do my best to keep the big guys honest but they have nothing to be affraid of. My best U/L score so far was a 65.18 at Lexington. ;c ;c ;c Now if I can repeat or do better at San Antonio in a couple weeks I will really feel good.
     
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    Don, your absolutely right, each barrel is it's own thing. The biggest thing for me is trying to find one load that shoots the best in my Unl. Bar-Sto barrel and also in my stock Glock barrel. So far the 147 Zero is doing the job when the jerk behind the trigger remembers what to do.
     
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    Don At PC Senior Member Millennium Member

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    Yep, I have tried to leave the "Jerk" at home whenever possible but some how he seems to find his way to the match at any given time.

    Yepper, gotta love those Zero's.
     
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    If you are shooting steel targets, you will have more bullet fragments flying around with the JHP's.
     
  9. Carlitos

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    Nevermind the 25 yard stuff, if you want to see the superiority of JHPs, group them off the bench @ 50 yards & compare to FMJ. Yes, yes, I know that we do not shoot off the bench in GSSF, but accuracy is accuracy & frankly, more is always better when it comes to the question of accuracy. Besides, JHPs keep the lead out of the barrel and the air.
     
  10. Glockman67

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    If I remember right, Dave Sevigny uses 147 gr JHP Georgia Arms reloads.

    Good stuff!

    gman67
     
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    certainly more accurate is better than less accurate. but lets face it, if youre missing targets or popping Ds at gssf matches, it's the shooter, not the ammo. i'm not aware of any ammo that is so inaccurate that it will allow you to miss your poa by more than a couple of inches at 25 yards.

    personally, i'm using zero 147 jhp...everyone says the jhps are more accurate, they cost the same as the fmj, and as carlos says, theyre cleaner.
     
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    Good advice to follow from Driver8M3; he won Am Civ in every outdoor GSSF match in New York state this year as well as shooting with me on the Am Civ team that won 1st at GSSF in MD & PA (Team Shooters Paradise -formerly known as Team Blazer).

    Douglas
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    I assume you guys say JHPs are cleaner because they don't have an exposed lead base. That's going to be true of any TMJ or most/all plated bullets though, isn't it? AFAIK, all CCI Blazer ammo is TMJ, even when labeled FMJ.

    I don't reload, but aren't plated bullets plated all around (including the base)?
     
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    "I don't reload, but aren't plated bullets plated all around (including the base)?"

    Correct. If you do not reload, Blazer is an accurate, clean alternative. For factory loads,I would seek out loads with 147 grn bullets (though they cost more). Blazer does come in a 147 grn loading, though it is not a hollow point.
     
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    i know carlos knows a LOT more than me (he taught me everything i know about reloading), but not all fmj bullets are totally covered. i've only tried 2 brands, but both had exposed bases.