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I’m a fan of guns. I like all kinds. I have a number of small 380s and 9mms that I enjoy.
I have to stress, everyone is different and this is my opinion. You are welcome to yours.
Many opinions already voiced here:
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/my-thoughts-on-the-sig-p365.1691157/
Clockwise: Shield 9, PM9, Micro 9, P938, Boberg XR9S, LC9S, G43.
Center: P365.
All firearms pictured have 7+1 capacity as shown except for the P365. The G43 has the Magguts +1 to make the 7+1 capacity.
MY WORKING OPINIONS ON SMALL CCW SINGLE STACKS:
That’s my perspective going into these tests.
Starting off, there have been reports of the grease contributing to failure to go into battery. Maybe compounded by weak, light target ammo.
My working parameters were to inspect the gun and see if the grease could reasonably account for the issues....
Holy crap. The thing was slathered in what looks like white lithium grease. Nobody in their right mind would run a gun in that condition. Remember, this is not a “combat” gun.
So I wiped out the grease and used a light coat of oil. I purposely went to the range today because of the temperatures.
I previously had a failure to return to battery in a range only Kimber Micro 9 that I hadn’t ever cleaned in 4 degree weather. That cleared up after I cleaned and oiled it. It doesn’t bother me if there’s a correctable reason for it.
I also only tested 147gr, because that’s the only thing I shoot in my Micro single stacks.
I tested 147 gr Speer Lawman, 147 gr Speer Gold Dot, 147 gr Federal HST +P.
The P365 ran flawlessly. Points intuitively and is very accurate. Nice, crisp trigger that feels like a good Shield trigger (without a dongle), gun feels like a PM9 in the hand but without the long trigger pull.
It’s very good. It’s as good as anything else in the segment.
The question is whether those 3 extra rounds that the P365 carries is worth it to you.
CONCLUSION:
The P365 is very good. It points and shoots very well. It is at least as good as anything else in the segment.
Is it a G43 killer? Not necessarily. I think preferences will guide the nuances of people’s selections. I shot some of my other single stacks and I enjoyed them all. Except that dang PM9. That trigger gives me fits.
Is it good? Yes. Is it reliable? Yes, in my hands shooting good 147 gr ammo after cleaning out the grease, even in 11 degree weather.
EDIT: I shot about 100 rounds out of the P365 and it ran 100%.
EDIT: 2/5: 250 total rounds before cleaning and still ran 100%. Keeping an eye on the barrel hood to slide contact.
EDIT: 2/7: 350 total rounds (100 since last cleaning). Still ran 100%. No failures even with one handed, two finger only grip (see video). Barrel hood does not look any more dinged than before. More concerned with wear on barrel lug.
EDIT: 2/13: 600 total rounds (250 today). Experimented with weaker and lighter ammo. 124gr Winchester, 115 gr Winchester, 80 gr Fort Scott, 65 gr Xtreme Defender and to show how tolerant the gun is in returning to battery... 380 ACP Gold Dots. It ate them all without a single hiccup or malfunction. Still 100% through 600 rounds. The peening and wear seem to have smoothed out and stabilized as well!
EDIT: 2/15: 800 total rounds (200 today). Three boxes of 115gr Winchester, one box of 147gr Lawman and a magazine of 147gr Gold Dots. Still flawless and peening remains stable.
EDIT: 2/18: 1000 total rounds (200 today). FIRST FAILURE. Mid-magazine rapid fire string, FTF. Off-center primer strike, but slide did seem fully in battery. Cartridge removed and did fire properly when loaded into a G26.
EDIT: 2/24: 1200 total rounds (200 today). 100 rounds of 115gr and 100 rounds of 147gr. No failures. Worked great. Tested the new X-Ray sights and the 12 round magazine. Note: two of the other guns I shot with the 115gr (Glock 19x and Kimber Micro 9) both had FTEs today, but the P365 was flawless. I think that ammunition might be inconsistent. I have not had any failures with any Speer product, just the light Winchester which seems to also have issues with other "dependable" firearms.
EDIT: 2/25: another 150 rounds of 115gr without any issue. 1350 total rounds. Getting comfortable with the “combat” sighting and 12 round magazine.
EDIT: 3/4: another 100 rounds. No problems. I think I’m more accurate with the 10 round magazine than the 12 round as I tend to pull down on teeny micro pistols with extended grips.
EDIT: 3/6: Got my second P365 with the updated parts. Comparison pics posted.
I have to stress, everyone is different and this is my opinion. You are welcome to yours.
Many opinions already voiced here:
https://www.glocktalk.com/threads/my-thoughts-on-the-sig-p365.1691157/
Clockwise: Shield 9, PM9, Micro 9, P938, Boberg XR9S, LC9S, G43.
Center: P365.
All firearms pictured have 7+1 capacity as shown except for the P365. The G43 has the Magguts +1 to make the 7+1 capacity.
MY WORKING OPINIONS ON SMALL CCW SINGLE STACKS:
- If you are LEO or in a bad area, carry a compact or full size double stack like a G19 or 17.
- As a civilian not living in a city, my personal minimum comfort capacity is 8 rounds. That gives me four pairs of shots.
- As such, my CCW firearm doesn’t have to be a battle firearm able to be run in mud and dirt with one handed tactical racking, etc. If you’re in that situation or have that preference, get a G19/17.
- I want it my carry gun to be 100% reliable IN THE TYPES OF SITUATIONS I WILL REASONABLY ENCOUNTER, but it doesn’t have to be Toyota Camry durable. It doesn’t have to run 10,000 rounds without cleaning. Get a G19/17 (or 19X!) if you want something that can do that.
- I don’t judge a firearm’s reliability negatively in the first 500 rounds. I had a LOT of problems with my G42, especially with weak target ammo in the beginning. But it’s been perfect after break in.
- I am only interested in testing the small single stacks with the kinds of ammo I would carry in them. I don’t care if they fail with weaker ammo if they’re 100% perfect with the ammo I will carry. The narrower the niche of gun, the narrower the design tolerances. Again, you want something that’s going to eat everything? Stick with something proven like a G19.
Starting off, there have been reports of the grease contributing to failure to go into battery. Maybe compounded by weak, light target ammo.
My working parameters were to inspect the gun and see if the grease could reasonably account for the issues....
Holy crap. The thing was slathered in what looks like white lithium grease. Nobody in their right mind would run a gun in that condition. Remember, this is not a “combat” gun.
So I wiped out the grease and used a light coat of oil. I purposely went to the range today because of the temperatures.
I previously had a failure to return to battery in a range only Kimber Micro 9 that I hadn’t ever cleaned in 4 degree weather. That cleared up after I cleaned and oiled it. It doesn’t bother me if there’s a correctable reason for it.
I also only tested 147gr, because that’s the only thing I shoot in my Micro single stacks.
I tested 147 gr Speer Lawman, 147 gr Speer Gold Dot, 147 gr Federal HST +P.
The P365 ran flawlessly. Points intuitively and is very accurate. Nice, crisp trigger that feels like a good Shield trigger (without a dongle), gun feels like a PM9 in the hand but without the long trigger pull.
It’s very good. It’s as good as anything else in the segment.
The question is whether those 3 extra rounds that the P365 carries is worth it to you.
CONCLUSION:
The P365 is very good. It points and shoots very well. It is at least as good as anything else in the segment.
Is it a G43 killer? Not necessarily. I think preferences will guide the nuances of people’s selections. I shot some of my other single stacks and I enjoyed them all. Except that dang PM9. That trigger gives me fits.
Is it good? Yes. Is it reliable? Yes, in my hands shooting good 147 gr ammo after cleaning out the grease, even in 11 degree weather.
EDIT: I shot about 100 rounds out of the P365 and it ran 100%.
EDIT: 2/5: 250 total rounds before cleaning and still ran 100%. Keeping an eye on the barrel hood to slide contact.
EDIT: 2/7: 350 total rounds (100 since last cleaning). Still ran 100%. No failures even with one handed, two finger only grip (see video). Barrel hood does not look any more dinged than before. More concerned with wear on barrel lug.
EDIT: 2/13: 600 total rounds (250 today). Experimented with weaker and lighter ammo. 124gr Winchester, 115 gr Winchester, 80 gr Fort Scott, 65 gr Xtreme Defender and to show how tolerant the gun is in returning to battery... 380 ACP Gold Dots. It ate them all without a single hiccup or malfunction. Still 100% through 600 rounds. The peening and wear seem to have smoothed out and stabilized as well!
EDIT: 2/15: 800 total rounds (200 today). Three boxes of 115gr Winchester, one box of 147gr Lawman and a magazine of 147gr Gold Dots. Still flawless and peening remains stable.
EDIT: 2/18: 1000 total rounds (200 today). FIRST FAILURE. Mid-magazine rapid fire string, FTF. Off-center primer strike, but slide did seem fully in battery. Cartridge removed and did fire properly when loaded into a G26.
EDIT: 2/24: 1200 total rounds (200 today). 100 rounds of 115gr and 100 rounds of 147gr. No failures. Worked great. Tested the new X-Ray sights and the 12 round magazine. Note: two of the other guns I shot with the 115gr (Glock 19x and Kimber Micro 9) both had FTEs today, but the P365 was flawless. I think that ammunition might be inconsistent. I have not had any failures with any Speer product, just the light Winchester which seems to also have issues with other "dependable" firearms.
EDIT: 2/25: another 150 rounds of 115gr without any issue. 1350 total rounds. Getting comfortable with the “combat” sighting and 12 round magazine.
EDIT: 3/4: another 100 rounds. No problems. I think I’m more accurate with the 10 round magazine than the 12 round as I tend to pull down on teeny micro pistols with extended grips.
EDIT: 3/6: Got my second P365 with the updated parts. Comparison pics posted.