While I am not a professional webmaster I put together a website in 2000 using an http://www.apycom.com/ applet for drop down navigation menus. By chance I am in the process of overhauling the whole site and I had intended to use the same (or perhaps a newer) apycom java applet to drive my navigation menus. By chance someone this week complained that they could not get the old/current site to work. Sure enough the java applet does not appear on their browser. I checked with appycom.com and their website says: Hmm so what is the deal - I checked five PCs and three of them (Three running XP, one running 2000, and the last running Vista.) Two of the XP machines, and the 2000 machine all pulled up the site fine and the java applet works, while one XP machine and the Vista machine would not even recognize the applet. Windows Explorer 7.xx is running on the two machines which won't run the applet, but 7.xx is also running on one of th PCs which runs the applet. The security settings appear to be the same and "Scripting of java applets" is enabled. - Then someone suggested that they understood Java used to be bundled with IE or windows or something, and now is not. So I then went to http://www.javatester.org/version.html The machines which will run the java applet test positive for having Java installed, and the PCs which don't see the java don't have java installed. So what is the deal? How is my best way to handle this. Google and Java point me to http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp to download a Java Plug-In but there are a bunch of options and this seems cumbersome. Is Java too much of a dinosaur to be used anymore? What is the long term fix for users? Thanks!